Game of Thrones 8.04 "The Last of the Starks" 5/5/2019 [Show discussion]

A few thoughts:

I am pretty sure Jaime is going to kill Cersei and as others said he said what he said to Brienne to spare her feeling (like Tyrion with what’s her face a few seasons ago).

I think the main reason Euron was able to kill Dragon R was mostly because it was already hurt and healing. Probably flying low and already weak. Drogon took shot like that first one before.

So where is Sam going? Is he going north with the Freefolk, staying at Winterfell? Their goodbye implied he was going somewhere.

I have a heard a theory that the creators kind of forgot Ghost existed and have added his stuff after the fact. This episode mad me think that might be true. The “goodbye” to Ghost was very lame from an emotional standpoint.

I feel like this is all leading to a tragic fall for Dany which is a shame because she truly, at one time, seemed the best person to rule.

Heh. I find it ironic that Jon (who, despite being raised as a bastard in Winterfell, and disliked by Lady Catelyn) follows Ned’s rigid code, while Sansa (who presumedly had nearly the same upbringing) lasts less than 24 hours to break an oath she gave by blabbing Jon’s pedigree to Tyrion.

I wonder why Jon didn’t even give the wolf a scritch behind the ear as a goodbye.

Do wolves raised from pup-hood dislike being petted?

I may have missed something, but shouldn’t Euron be suspicious that Tyrion knows Cersei is pregnant?

I was under the impression that the child is Jamie’s and Cersei has been pregnant long enough for Tyrion to figure out at their previous meeting. Euron could have only knocked her up a few weeks prior, right?

And, why the hell wouldn’t the dragons fly at an altitude higher than the top of the ballista projectiles’ parabolic arc?

I have little doubt that Jamie is going to have something to do with Cersei’s death.

I do think it’s a bit much for Arya to get the kill shot on the Night King AND Cersei, even if she’s “on the list”. Plus I think it’s, um, arguable, that Arya is the “more beautiful” woman that casts her down.

It’s tricky because the case that the prophecies are true are pretty convincing, they seem conflicting because first there’s a younger, more beautiful woman that casts her down (Dany? Sansa’s no where near there), then her little brother strangles her (who, I think is blatantly telegraphed as Jamie).

Pedantic Nitpick: Several minutes?? No. The German 88mm flak had a muzzle velocity of 2600 ft/sec, with an effective altitude of 25000 feet.

The American 5"/38 had a similar muzzle velocity, but a higher effective altitude.

While the shells definately slow down as they travel up-range, I don’t think “minutes” of flight time is accurate.

I agree with this sentiment, though.

  1. Errr, RADAR for guns came rather late in the day in WW2. For most of the way, RADAR gave them not much more than “enemy coming, this height and direction”. Which in our case, the ships lookouts could do.

  2. Drogon, did dodge several bolts, once he knew he was under attack. He did so by maneuvering.
    Rhaegon was hit before he even knew the enemy was there. Like Viserion last season (where Drogon again dodged).

That’s not news. Most AA and air to air kills are those who never saw it coming. People who know they are being attacked have much better odds. Which is why so much effort is placed in developing stealth, low probability of intercept RADARs, missile warning systems.

The anti-air engagement was probably the only realistic military operation in the episode.

And this is why it was unrealistic and stupid. They would have seen the ships LONG before they were in range of the ballistas.

I’m a little miffed that Jaime cockblocked Tormound only to break Brienne’s heart. What prompted him to go to KL? Hearing she had a victory? Doesn’t make sense.

Yeah, Jaime’s stated reason to Brienne is basically that he and Cersei deserve each other and he was going to be with her. However, he knew that Dany and the North were going down there to overthrow her. If that’s his reason, he should have left immediately after the battle.

If it turns out that he’s going down there to kill her, it makes sense that the news of Cersei’s victory would compel him, but it doesn’t mesh with what he told Brienne.

Not a great scene.

If the lookout is an idiot, then what can you do?

Not put her on the throne?

Jon and Dany are the two stupidest generals alive. At least the writers have one side using decent strategy such as having ships with ballista and shielding the Red Keep with civilians. But the writers missed a golden opportunity. As Dany is walking away at the end she needed to keep repeating, “Burn them all.”

Strong disagree. THe show isn’t very good about this in general, but “show, don’t tell” is a good rule.

I think they’re going to show us next episode.

If there had been a big emotional scene where Jaime told Brienne how much he loved her and that he had to prove to her that he was worth her love before he could come back to her, that would have been fantasy tropey. He doesn’t plan to come back. He doesn’t want her hopeful.

There was a whole lot of cutting-room floor footage needed to make this episode palatable. I would have happily sacrificed much of the drunken party for a little more logistics to set up the King’s Landing showdown.

Teleporting army and fleet? Can’t even show thirty seconds of marching/sailing past some of the landmarks along the way?
Surprise ballista bolts at five-thousand feet? It’s clear that the dragons and Dani didn’t know of the ballista and wouldn’t fear the boats, but if they showed a simple establishing shot doing a swoop-by it would have made much more sense.
Varys suddenly chickening out on the whole scheme? Suddenly being turned from master schemer into timid hand-wringer was very out of character.
Tyrion continues to do nothing as a character this season except whinge about not being listened to. To see him moved from the most anticipated character moments of the show in past seasons to a waste of screen time is a shame.

The fanwank is that she was complacent and not flying an evasive path. At least that would explain the first shot hitting.

I’m pretty sure Arya is on her way to KL to kill Cersei but I’ll be disappointed if that’s how it works out. I also may be the only person not happy about a possible Cleganbowl. The Mountain is bigger, stronger and deader than The Hound, so any outcome would suck. The Hound wins and it’ll be because he’s a good guy; if The Mountain wins, then that means The Hound dies at the hands of his hated brother.

On the road again
Killing people with my friend. . .

They kept his speech vague on purpose. “We’re both hateful” makes it sound like he’s going back to the woman he loves to die fighting for her. But in reality he’s going back because he’s hateful of her, and he wants to be the Queenslayer this time.

Or what Plankton said.

Ah yes. That would make more sense. This thread moves faster than I can keep up sometimes!