I am reasonably sure that Jamie and Cersei have survived, the supposed death was from the side with a fall of rubble, with a sort of “we’ll make it” vibe to it. Just rewatched it. Nothing unambiguous, like Qyburn, ie: proper dead. Room for manuevre. They’ll be in Pentos plotting a return from exile.
They were trapped, there was no where to go.
Jamie was mortally wounded, and that was a very fitting end for his character, a way to not betray his main flaw(his love for Cersei) and yet still be a better person. Cersei might be dug out of the rubble, but Jamie is quite dead in all likeilhood. I agree that it is likely Cersei survived, because he dying that way is just not what fans would want to see. But Jamie’s character arc ends there, so keeping him around doesn’t make much sense.
Yeah, Qyburn is dead, the Mountain smushed his head like play-doh. I really hope Jaime and Cersei are, too. It’s possible that the collapsing castle actually opened up an exit and allowed them to escape, but it doesn’t fit with the way they filmed the scene or anything else, really. It would just be another cheap twist for twists’ sake. They might as well bring Syrio Forel back to rule Westeros.
If this happened I would instantly forgive everything bad about seasons 7-8 and declare this the best show of all time.
I’m kinda leaning towards Vary’s may have been feeding Dany some psycho tropic drugs, rather than poison itself. Just enough to amp up her paranoia and have to be removed. I could see Varys using poison, but one thinks that he had other tools in the toolbox. Which in turn leads me to wonder actually how mad was the mad king, if Varys was around then.
There is no way Varys is trying to drive her insane right before the battle, he was trying to save kings landing.
No, Tyrion was trying to save KL, Varys was making sure that the right person got the throne.
I could get behind that, maybe, except that nothing can make up for six minutes of Arya seeing a horse…a Horse… …A HORSE…oh, the wonder of it, the astonishment of it, the absolute MIRACLE of it!
And the slo-mo approach…so drawn-out, so lovingly filmed for minute upon minute…and she TOUCHES the horse! And it’s THE MOST AMAZING THING EVER! And what a completely draining EMOTIONAL WHAMMY of an ending!!!
…no. Nothing can make up for that.
Jamie has a gut stab, which Arya shrugged off at the end of season 6, so I don’t assume much from that.
Maybe it is their end, but this series has trained me to expect survival unless you’ve seen the head smooshed in or cut off. Ok, except Stannis.
Danys driven mad, and yet Cersei surviving does seem the sort of bitter revenge never exercised and leaves Danys losing in the only way she really could after the bells rang and the gates had been thrown open.
Still, one more episode to go. I expect to see a couple in the sunshine with a toddler as one of the final scenes of the last episode…
Last night’s episode was the most epically awesome thing that ever sucked. What’s so strange is that what didn’t work seems so obvious and easily avoidable.
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Dany’s mad queen arc is perfectly acceptable and there has been enough runway for a take off during this episode, but there needed to be an immediate trigger. Anything would have worked. Ideally I think they should have showed her going a bit more nuts when her first dragon was killed, saved the second dragon death for this episode which could have triggered last night’s rampage.
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I haven’t seen much criticism of how Arya’s conversion to the light happened as a result of one sentence from the Hound. Years of desensitization and revenge training gets turned around with “Dont be like me?” That scene needed to be longer or more impactful to make Arya do a 180.
They are dead. Very very dead. Castle fell on top of them dead.
Euron says he killed Jaime. Don’t ignore moments like that. Its in there for a reason. It’s pretty straight forward. He was stabbed in each side. Slow kill but still a kill.
Jaime and Cersei are both dead because it would be anticlimactic and serve zero dramatic purpose to bring either of them back in the final episode, any more than bringing the Night King back would. There might be some chance if there was another season ahead, but not for a single episode.
Episode 3 resolved the conflict with the Night King. This episode resolved the conflict with Cersei, but set up the conflict with Danaerys as the Mad Queen. Having Cersei survive would just confuse the resolution of that final conflict.
People sometimes propose outlandish things just because they think “anything can happen.” There has to be some dramatic reason to bring Cersei back, and there isn’t.
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Colibri has already addressed this point, but since this thread isn’t supposed to have any non-show info in it, even in spoiler boxes, I’ve edited AK84’s post about the leaked info.
I think it was less the Hound’s one-liner, and more the visceral experience of seeing Dany’s revenge enacted on such an inhumane scale, or more likely both, combined with pining for the real human love that she turned down back at Winterfell.
Thank you. Spoiler boxes get revealed if they are quoted on my phone browser.
No I think Jon has to kill Dany. That will full circle back to one of the first scenes where Ned says he who passes the sentence must be the executioner. It will be more impactful since Jon loved her (at least did). Arya’s already had her heroic kill.
The castle was literally crumbling around them, she didn’t just change her mind on a whim.
Yeah, exactly the same thing happened to me.
Jon probably will pass sentence on Dany. But to permit the audience to see Jon as having nobility and goodness and clean hands, the actual instrument of Dany’s death will be Drogon: Jon will pass sentence, Dany will say “oh, really? Drogon, fry him,” and Drogon-----recognizing the True Blood and Rightful Ruler-----will fry Daenerys instead of Jon.
Because that will permit the audience to take pleasure in how noble and good and clean-handed Jon is, while satisfying the bloodlust to see Dany not only dead, but humiliated (by having her ‘child’ turn on her).