Game of Thrones 8.05 "The Bells" 5/12/19 [Show discussion]

I guess queen’s flying beats king’s landing.

I was kind of wondering whose plot armor would break first - Jamie, Arya, Jon, the Hound…

Excellent list. The one thing I’ll add is that Missandei’s final word was “Drakkaris,” or however you spell the word that tells a dragon, “Burn this motherfucker to ashes.”

I found her decision–especially the strafing of innocents–to be initially jarring. But the more I think about it, the more in keeping with her it is to decide to turn King’s Landing into a horrific example to any who would oppose her.

why is he dumb? His plan worked perfectly. The bells rung, Dany won. The people were saved.

This show leans super goddamn hard into everyone’s fatal flaw. Tyrion’s fatal flaw is that he sees the good in people, and believes they’ll live up to it. Cersei loves her children. Dany wants what’s best for the common people.

However wise Tyrion is, he’s blind to this fault, and it’s killing everyone.

I keep hearing complaints about how characters are acting out of characters. If you watch the show through the lens of, “these characters are all going to destroy everything with their signature flaw,” it makes so much more sense.

I don’t think Dany can burn, but I do think that she will attempt to have Drogon burn Jon, but with the dragon refusing to do so. Jon, after all, is a Targaryen. At this point, I think she will redeem herself by giving up her claim. Jon will show mercy and some equitable arrangement will be made. Of course, leaving open the possibility of a sequel. Way too much money here to not at least leave an opening.

Where where you when I was all alone saying it wasn’t a Book of Revelation reference but a Mel Brooks reference?

Euron has a gut stab, IIRC Jaime has 30cm deep punctures through each lung. Eh, just a flesh wound.

Well, for one thing, your ending is plausible, smart, entertaining, and satisfying, guaranteeing there’s no way in hell. Every shred of sympathy a viewer has ever had for any character must be destroyed alongside those poor actors’ careers. Some characters have yet to have that dramatic personality shift where absolutely nothing they do makes a shred of sense in the context of the 8 seasons of television that came before. The only thing left now is for Sansa to pretext seducing Tyrion in order to commit a murder-suicide, Jon Snow to kick a direwolf then assassinate the Stark siblings in their sleep, then for Ser Davos to mace Jon to death and gloat “I am the greatest there ever was!” over his spasming corpse. Bizzarro-Westeros finally will have a new King.

The audible chant of “Ring the bell! Ring the bell!” across King’s Landing for a full 90 second pause in the fighting sorta made the bell-ringing unnecessary IMO. Maybe the bell eventually being rung was Taco Bell placement. At your door in 30 minutes or I throw a hysterical tantrum and destroy my own seat of government and subjects.

Enough to be distracting, yes. And a third of them riding white horses, natch. It seems everytime some show gets to this level of hype, there are always elements that accomplish nothing but test credulity.

:smiley: Not having witnessed the destruction and filled with dreams of drunken orgies in the Red Keep, Bronn solemnly kneels before Tyrion and swears his eternal loyalty.

Cleghorne LOL
They’re unable to hold the story together for viewers, either through words or actions. That’s why I have been warning viewers they will be shocked in the finale when Queen Twill is crowned. Who the fuck is Queen Twill? …Exactly.

…and Gregor aka The Mountain is now also a completely loyal zombie conjured by that guy he kills chucking down the staircase before completely ignoring orders for the first time ever and afterwards letting lets Cersei scoot down the stairs past the guy who just dispatched 4 of her armed and armored guards in 7 seconds while watching 14 steps above. Not to be distracted, Sandor barely acknowledges it.
Your comments and snappy rejoinders are helping me work through the disappointment though, so thanks.

From my twitter feed:

My wife is hearing this in Cookie Monster’s voice, while I’ve been hearing Mongo. :smiley:

I did. I didn’t expect it would be an actual spoiler. In fact I still believed it was a joke after reading it. And when it looked like people were taking it seriously, I couldn’t help but google it (but of course this one is on me).

The spoiler still appear in this post, where it is quoted : https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21639795&postcount=211

Should probably be deleted there too.

Having her last “child” rubbing his head amorously against Jon instead when ordered to burn him would be the ultimate treason.

People have mentioned a “previously on game of thrones” scene where Danaerys is hearing voices. It wasn’t included in the French broadcast and I’d like to watch it. Would anybody have a link to it?

Great observation by Chris Ryan on the Watch podcast: “GoT has become its own Wikipedia synopsis.” He thinks where they have arrived is where Martin intended, but they didn’t have enough time to really do it right–so they just hit all the main points very briefly and move on.

All of you realize the only possible way for this hot mess of a series to conclude is for Jon Snow to kill Daenrys and then either take the Iron Throne or do something ridiculous like giving it to Sansa, right?

I haven’t rewatched, but when the bells ring and Dany pauses, is there any kind of callback to when Missandei said “Dracarys” before her extreme haircut? Did Drogon destroy the wall Missandei was executed on at the start of the battle? If not, maybe Dany heard the bells, stopped to look around, the spot where Missandei was killed catches her eye and she goes nuts? Is that possible?

His plan didn’t work in any way, shape, or form. (Jaime never reached Cersei in the Keep.) No plan was needed: Drogon torched a bunch of troops and then the rest of them clamored to surrender with the bells all on their own.

Didn’t that ship sail when Jon hanged a child at the wall? Sure, the kid murdered him, but still, he hanged a child.

What Dany has done is far worse than what that kid did, and if Jon passes a sentence but fails to carry it out himself that would be a betrayal of everything his character is about. That would leave him with “dirtier hands” than actually lopping Dany’s head off would.

Are you asking if there wa any form of inciting incident that would explain her mindset at the moment?

No. No, there wasn’t. It was a cheap soap opera heel turn.

I reckon Gendry is going to get it. No other reason why the writers would make Dany legitimise him. As the (now) true born son of the last rightful king he has the best claim, assuming Jon doesn’t want it.

I’ve also got a nasty feeling that Arya will kill Daenerys while wearing someone else’s face and Jon kills her by mistake, but I’m always wrong about these things.

If you don’t need to see one hour of buildings being razed and innocents getting slaughtered here is the synopisis for the final confrontation (feel the antecipaton):

Cersei: "The Red Keep has stood unbreached for a thousand years. I laugh in the face of their puny threats! Let them bring their worst

Daenerys: “Drakarys”.

Cersei: “Oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit…”

I don’t think so. I suppose that when he saw that Danny was killing everybody, he understood it was open season. No need for orders.

Cersei: “She’s coming here! Brace yours- Oh, no, wait, she’s stopping to burn some peasants.”

Daenerys: “Burn, innocent women and children, burn!”

Cersei: “Oh no! Now she really is coming! Oh, God, she destroyed the East Tower in seconds! We’re next! We’re going to- oh, wait. She left. She’s going back to burn some more peasants.”

Danerys: “Hahahaha! I love the smell of roasting children in the morning!”

Cersei: “Um. Qyburn? How many peasants are there? I mean, she seems to have completely forgotten about us. Anybody up for pizza?”

Well, no. Plenty of people could kill Danaerys. Arya and Jon are the most likely to do so, but I could see Tyrion doing it. Or Sansa using the KL massacre as a justification to organize some plot resulting in Danny’s demise. Less likely : Bran. Really not likely, Sam. Her dragon killing her is a possibility if she were to have a fight with Jon. I had envisioned Grey Worm, but he seemed all too happy to shed blood, so he probably have no moral qualms about what happened.

An anymous avenging the massacre of his family (not likely), or a mob tearing her to pieces could be possible too. I think it would be very fitting, in fact, in contrast with the crowd cheering her at the end of I can’t remember which season.

As far as I can tell, most viewers cheered at this hanging. Not because he had stabbed Jon but because he had killed Ygritte.