Game of Thrones first season discussion thread [No Spoilers!]

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As the other thread collapsed and was closed, I hope we might be able to continue the discussion of the first season - all episodes - in this one.

This thread is for - and only for - content that has been shown on the TV screen. If it’s been on between the intro and the credits, it goes here. If it hasn’t, it doesn’t. This thread’s definition of a spoiler is: Any reference to content from any other source than the TV-series is a spoiler, however obliquely. This is NOT the place to argue about what constitutes a spoiler.

If you want book spoilers, go to this thread: Game of Thrones: omnibus discussion thread based on knowledge of books (OPEN SPOILERS)

If you want to ask a question about background information that doesn’t appear in the show - like heraldry, history, religion, etc - you should go to this thread: Non-Spoiler Background Thread for Game of Thrones

If you want to run a side-by-side comparison of the book and show, there’s this thread: Game of Thrones - Noteable differences between the book and the show so far (chock full of spoilers)

ETA:

To everyone: To make myself perfectly, redundantly and abundantly clear, speculation about the future based solely on knowledge derived from the first season as shown on television is, of course, okay.

To address a point less clear, TV-guides, websites, blogs and so on are also out of limits - although that’s more of a grey area. This thread is designed to be a lowest-common-denominator only thread, which means what’s been televised. If there’s a consensus against this, I will of course revise this.

I regret having to codify the rules to such an extent, but history has shown that apparently with this show it’s been needed. Now, at least, there’s enough rope.

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On a on-topic note, I wonder how the show progression is going to be for the youngest actors? Like the child playing Rickon, Art Parkinson, who’ll be 24 by the time the series ends if it keeps the bi-annual schedule? May this be why he’s been kept so off-screen, so we won’t get too attached to the actor?

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I’ve been thinking of that hole in the throne room of the Ayrie that goes dwon through the clouds. How does that work? The room is massive and made of stone, is it heavily buttressed or what? Medieval tech might have all kindsa problems with that.

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I think it’s built over a natural hole in the rock of the eyrie.

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Well in the book…

Crap.
Um. I dunno. A wizard did it.

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Given that the last time Joffrey met Tyrion, Tyrion was slapping him, I wonder how awkward it’s going to be when Tyrion shows up at court to be Hand of the King. Presumably Joffrey is still pissed about that, but I think that Tyrion will offer good advice.

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Yeah, but do you think Joffrey will actually hang himself and have his head put on a pike?

But seriously, given that he didn’t even accept his own mother’s advice, I don’t foresee a healthy hand/king relationship with his imp uncle who has slapped him around.

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You have to wonder what it would take to keep Impulsive Sado-Boy King Joffrey from having Tyrion killed on sight. Of course, killing a Lannister would be RIDICULOUSLY stupid, as opposed to merely VERY stupid, in the case of killing Ned.

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It’s Tywin that keeps the Lannisters in line, you saw him deal with Jamie and Tyrion. If he says listen to the dwarf then they listen to the dwarf.

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Tyrion is the son of Tywin Lannister, the legitimate Hand of the King (by proxy, anyway), and one of the queen regent’s two brothers.

Ned was an admitted traitor, and husband to an arguable traitor, and lord of a large but hardly respected parcel of land, who had lost his position as Hand when Robert died.

The situations aren’t nearly the same. Even Mr Tongueless McHeadchoppy would hesitate to kill Tyrion for no good reason, even at Joff’s say-so - a Lannister always pays his debts, so you don’t want to be owed a debt for ‘one head-chopping’.

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Well said. But Joffrey’s impulsive enough, and fancies himself just enough of a swordsman (remember Arya and the butcher’s boy) that he just might order everyone else to stand aside and do it himself.

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Time for a few more viewings.

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So Ned was a disposable hill bumpkin whose ineffectual people no one fears? That’s puzzling … I wonder why anyone was upset that Joffrey had him beheaded? I was under the impression that the Starks were considered badasses that even the Lannisters would not rile without extreme provocation. Silly me!

Also, granted killing Tyrion would be a very bad mood, but Joffrey has clearly been painted as a spoiled, idiot kid. He’s gonna wanna kill Tyrion! He’s the king! I’m just wondering about the limits of executive power in Kings Landing … very little, from what I’ve seen. So … I still think Tyrion is an endangered species once he reaches King’s Landing … his whore certainly will be as well.

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That’s an odd interpretation of the text, since a) the Lannisters are the ones who began the conflict between themselves and the Starks by attacking the Tullies. b) Tywin and his men speak in the most condescending manner possible about Robb right up until he actually owns them in battle. c) Before it escalated to actual war, Jaime’s men attacked (and massacred) Ned’s men on the rather minor provocation of Cat arresting Tyrion.

Even ignoring the fact of Ned’s treason against the Crown, it’s silly to think that the younger son of the most powerful man in the kingdom, shy of the King - arguably even more powerful than the King, considering how heavily in debt to the Lannisters the Crown is - is as expendable as a lord from the arse end of the Seven Kingdoms.

A son, it should be noted, said powerful man has ALREADY gone to war for (despite the fact that he’s the unwanted son), so a vendetta against a single man who committed a crime against his family is not something Tywin would shy away from.

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Kidnapping Tyrion is a minor provocation?

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I"m not sure of which ep, but there is a scene in Season 1 where Joffrey … not yet the King … got his ass slapped silly by Tyrion. Here is a clip from it.

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I thought he had missed the scene where Tyrion bitch slaps Joffrey.

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Bi-annual? I’m pretty sure season 2 is scheduled to air next year, so one season per year is what’s planned. As to the question of Rickon, well, I’m not sure if I can answer that without referencing the books.

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Yeah, we are looking at ten years or so at least to cover everything, no idea how that could possibly work.

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Game of Thrones got one season, and IIRC, A Clash of Kings will as well, but A Storm of Swords is supposed to be getting two, and…I’m not entirely clear on A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons - they’ll be interspersed with each other, but I’m not sure if it’ll be 2 seasons or 4 for the whole lot. So, that’s 6-8 seasons to cover the books that have been released, and probably another 4 to cover the last 2.

So…there’s anything from 9 to 13 years to finish the rest of the series. … Yikes.

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That’s exactly what I was doing, and I hope most if not all of you read it that way.