Like I said, it doesn’t fit as well as the couple most prominent theories. However, Martin has surprised people before and there has even been worry that he may change his mind on this topic if he is unhappy how easily people figured out what he had planned.
I’m a heretic. I don’t believe Jon is a targaryen. If he is, it’s a product of rape.
I don’t believe he is azor ahai.
People seem to forget what they are reading. This is not some wonderful story where lovely things like two people running away, in love, and having a baby. and when they die, someone steps in and cares for it.
Magic is not going to save the day. (in fact, martin said that the gods/religion will have nothing to do with the end battle.)
Most likely, we will never know jons parents.
I believe that it’s not the real jon dying.
I thought that was a given.
I read all the books in a row, so they sort of blend together, but I believe that it was hinted that Lyanna wanted Rheagar and ran off with him so she wouldn’t have to marry Robert. Who, after all, was a douchebag frat boy.
Do we know for certain Lyanna Stark did not want to be with Rheagar? That’s the story King Robert and everyone else knows, but it might not be the whole truth.
No, we don’t know that for certain. The books did hint that she may have been willing. Lyanna was a realist about Robert, and knew that he’d never be faithful to her if she did end up as his wife; she alluded to a few interests of her own and the desire to live a meaningful life of her own too.
<<no cites, pulling it all from memory>>
Ned Stark though Rhaegar was a great guy. No way was Lyanna raped.
Ned Stark thought Littlefinger was trustworthy too.
Ned Stark was not a warg (at least not that’s been revealed), yet two of his sons (assuming Jon is his) certainly are and Arya has tendencies, and since Jon doesn’t have Catelyn’s blood it has to be through the Stark line. Do you think it’s bloodline related or some kind of northern magic?
Rhaegar had been wrong before. He thought HE was the prince that was promised at first.
Everyone thought Rhaegar was a great guy, not just Ned.
But Rhaegar claiming he was the prince who was promised was not shown in the prophecies in the House of the Undying, which I’d give more weight. Why should that be part of the prophecies Dany is shown if it means nothing?
Because immediately afterwards Rhaegar talks about how he needs one more child (Jon) because the dragon needs three heads. Also, it can be to introduce Dany to that prophecy, even if the person introducing it is mistaken about the specifics.
She sees Robb dead too, but that means nothing to her and likely never will.
Not everything Dany sees in the HOTU is a prophecy. Most of what she saw is what happened in the past. You can see the list from A Wiki of Ice and Fire.
However, she does hear some things that have so far been somewhat prophetic.
Since it’s fun to speculate:
Three fires:
One for life - When the Dragons were born.
One for death - When she burned Drogo and killed Mirri Maz Duur?
One for love - I don’t remember her setting any other fire. Unless you count Drogo’s fire as the one for love. In that case one fire satisfies all three prophecies.
Three mounts:
One to bed - Daario
One to dread - Drogon (her dragon)
One to love - Drogo
Three treasons:
Once for blood - Mirri Maz Duur
Once for gold - I don’t remember this one.
Once for love - Jorah? But he betrayed her for a pardon before he knew her. So this one is up in the air.
In Dance with Dragons, Arya kills some guy by giving someone a coin that is the given to the man and he then dies. Is the coin so well known that the knowledge that the man was given one so powerful that it gave him a heart attack or is there something I am missing? I am about a hundred pages form the end so there might be more discussion in the book I either missed or is still to come
He bites the coins to check if they’re genuine. She poisoned the coin.
Something bugging me all day. If Edmure doesn’t have an heir (his wife was still pregnant when we saw her last, iirc, and childbirth can be dangerous…as is Westeros) and the Freys off him too, who inherits Riverrun? Lady Stoneheart? Bran/Sansa/Rickon? Blackfish?
I wonder if Sansa and Rickon will get Riverrun and Winterfell, one each. Bran’s stuck in the tree, Arya couldn’t handle it and is the youngest girl.
Robert Arryn would have as much claim to Riverrun as the Stark kids. I would imagine Blackfish would be first in line, since traditionally male heirs get priority. I would imagine the following order:
Edmure
Edmure’s son (if he has one)
Blackfish
Catelyn (if she could be considered alive at this point)
Bran
Rickon
Robert (I would imagine as a male he would be in front of Sans and Arya)
Sansa
Arya
If it works the way British male primogeniture works then it would be:
Edmure Tully
(Edmure’s son)
(Edmure’s daughter)
(Catelyn Tully Stark)
(Robb Stark)
Brandon “Bran” Stark
Rickon Stark
Sansa Stark Lannister
Arya Stark
Lysa Tully Arryn
Robert “Robin” Arryn
Brynden “Blackfish” Tully
Children inherit before siblings and brothers inherit before sisters. You follow each branch to its end before you move to the next junior branch. Thus, all of Hoster Tully’s direct descendants are ahead of his brother.
Ah, interesting. That puts Blackfish at the bottom of the list. He probably wouldn’t touch Riverrun with a ten foot pole anyway. I didn’t include any dead people on my list, which was why Lysa was absent.
If Sansa married Robert I suppose that would strengthen their claim to Riverrun, especially since everyone thinks Bran, Rickon, and Arya are dead. (Assuming something happened to Edmure and he left no heirs.) Too bad Robert is such a sniveling little brat.