I’m putting this thread up because I noticed that the thread on episode 6.10 is devolving into a “what’s gonna happen” sort of thread so it seems there may be some interest on what Season 7 will bring us. Some ideas to think about.
We assume Bran knows about Jon’s true parents. Who will he tell when he gets to the south? I think an interesting subtext is that he and Meera Reed are getting very close (not THAT way) and that technically he is Lord Bran and she will eventually be Lady Reed. Similar relationship as their dads Ned and Howland.
Cercei is now truly a usurper. What right does she have to the throne? Will that be addressed when Dany shows up?
Sansa seems quite content to NOT be Lady of Winterfell and Wardeness of the North and is more of the manipulator behind the scenes. Is she to be the new Littlefinger?
Speaking of that, with the Boltons gone what will happen to Dreadfort? Does it belong to Sansa as the widow of the last Lord Bolton? Is it now crown lands?
Lyanna Mormont (Lady Grizzly) is developing more as character that viewers want to see. Does that mean she will die some horrible death?
When the message about Dany’s arrival reaches the north, Jon has to know. And if Bran or Jon want to know her character, one of them might tell her too - though that’s a gamble I’d avoid for now.
Since she was crowned after committing mass murder, she has pretty much the same right to the throne as Dany’s ancestors had.
Actually, I think Sansa might still be Lady of Winterfell. Jon’s title as King of the North doesn’t take it away. Well, not necessarily.
You’re right, the Boltons are gone (at least the direct line is), so she is the legitimate heir of their lands, including their stronghold. But we know what the rules are worth. Yet, she is also the winner in the struggle for the north, so I doubt that her claim will meet much resistance.
As I’m sure has been said before, the many flashbacks and mentions of Jaime killing King Aerys for wanting to burn King’s Landing to the ground almost certainly point to him eventually killing Cersei for actually doing it. It ties in with her “valonquar” prophecy, as well.
I saw something somewhere on the internets recently about how the weirwood Bran was leaning against when he said goodbye to Benjen was the same one Jon took his Night’s Watch vows at - which means Bran is awfully close to the Wall and should be returning to Winterfell pretty quickly. I would guess that Bran will be installed as Lord of Winterfell, but that has little to no bearing on Jon’s status as King in the North. It seems to me that Sansa, as Lady of Winterfell, could have legitimized him, but I don’t believe it’s been stated that she went ahead and did it. Is my brain wrong when it tells me that Robb already tried to legitimize Jon and make him his legal heir when Bran and Rickon were presumed dead?
Then there’s all the insanity involved in whether or not Jon is a legitimate Targaryen. If he is, he has a better claim to the Iron Throne than Dany does, but even though he’s sometimes the dumbest character to live this long, I think Jon is smart enough to know he doesn’t want all seven kingdoms. I’d say he barely even wants the one he has.
I like to think that Nymeria will be making an appearance, now that Arya is somewhere in the Riverlands. The Brotherhood Without Banners contains at least a few names on Arya’s list, so I don’t think she’s heading home just yet.
Then, we have to think about the dragon’s third head. Which I’ll leave out until I know whether the books exist in this thread.
I think the show will be entertaining, but I don’t have faith in the show to address the actual through-lines. King’s Landing should be in outright chaos. Who is backing her? The equivalent of the Vatican just exploded killing hundreds of lords, courtesans and the priesthood. The Lannister army has returned sure, but as Tywin said, the Lannisters are broke and the realm is in deep debt. I suppose Jaime is now the head of House Lannister and can try to make the rest of the family fall in line. One thing the show has done a poor job of is realistically portraying all the houses numbers–we hear a lot of references to Lannister uncles and aunts and cousins-- same with the Tyrells, but when it comes down to it, only named characters on show matter. Lyanna is acting like her line is wiped out, but seriously there are no other Tyrells around?
I expect Dany is delayed at sea by Euron–sea battle inflicts loses. She takes Dragonstone and sets up camp. Maybe we’ll see something with the Dragons needing/wanting to roost for a bit and so she delays to see if she can breed dragons.
Interesting question. Yes as far as it does not contradict the show meaning that you can’t bring up Jeyne Poole as in the show Sansa is Ramsay’s widow. But like I did you can mention that Meera Reed will eventually be head of House Reed although I don’t think that has been addressed directly in the show.
The only way Cersei doesn’t collapse within a few episodes that I can see is if she marries Euron Greyjoy, presenting somewhat of a strong “central Westeros” region in between Dany (who presumably will start from the South – Dorne and the Reach) and the North.
For this to occur, Euron’s fleet would have to be rebuffed (and perhaps defeated in open water, if not entirely burned) by Dany, sending him fleeing west. Marrying Cersei would put him on the throne, if perhaps not in total control (since he’d have to share power with Cersei), but between them they’d strongly control west-central Westeros (Casterly Rock and surrounding, and the Iron Islands), with Kings Landing as a power base in east-central Westeros.
Still a weak position, but much stronger than Cersei on her own (who would probably control little more than Kings Landing and maybe a little of the Westerlands).
Ah, thanks! There are some things in the books that may be useful in the future, say against Dany, that have not been stated in the show. I’m not sure if they ever will.
However, I do think Euron will confront Dany on the open seas. In the books, he has a far better chance against her than he seems to currently have in the show.
I love this idea. They’d be the worst couple in the history of ever. But I don’t think Cersei would marry anybody who calls himself King of any territory she thinks she has the right to.
Odds say that Olenna must have had more than one child, but I don’t believe there has ever been confirmation of that in the show. The books included a third sibling, Willas, who was actually the heir. He was crippled in some way, but said to be smart and kind. I’d guess it’s too late to retcon him into the show now, and it would take some of the fun out of whatever campaign of revenge Olenna is working on.
Regarding Jon’s true parentage - who’s going to take the word of a formerly-dead tree-seeing teenager who could very well just be trying to make his older brother seem cooler? It seems to me that unless Howland Reed opens his mouth or Jon makes friends with a dragon, this is going to be one of those rumors that floats around the kingdoms and nobody believes until it’s too late.
They seem to make things far too one-sided, whether for Dany in the Game of Thrones, or for men against the White Walkers. Surely we must discover that there’s some viable weapon against the dragons? I can see Dany crying over one dying dragon early next season, and the remaining dragons then playing a limited role mid-season in Dany’s conquest of Westeros.
They must inevitably reappear for the final battle against the White Walkers, and it would be particuarly entertaining if a dead one is revived as a wight. I don’t know if wighting will work, as dragon-stuff seems to have nasty effects on White Walkers. But warged dragon(s) vs wighted dragon(s) would be spectacular for the final battle.
Dragonbinder? If he doesn’t have it it’ll be a curb-stomp battle between Dany’s armada and whatever ships Euron has managed to build. Though it would be very amusing that all a character that was so hyped did was talk about his cock and then make a minor nuisance of himself.
Concur with the idea that Cersei should be ‘ruling’ a city in open revolt. She wasn’t winning any popularity contests before she blew up the most popular man in the city along with a far more popular queen. Tinfoil hat time - Qyburn is actually on Daenerys’ payroll and has been tasked with ensuring King’s Landing is in chaos by the time she arrives. As Dany’s forces approach Cersei will go full on mad queen (Can Dany be burned by Wildfire?) and order the rest of the wildfire caches blown up, history repeats itself and Kingslayer becomes Kinslayer.
It won’t happen but I’d love for Littlefinger to be confronted with the reality of White Walkers and wights, to see the look on his face when he realises all his scheming has been re-arranging deck-chairs on the Titanic.
Obvious one; Dany + Jon = OTP. Perhaps after some initial skirmishes.
I think Dany against anyone will be a curbstomp unless they put up some magical boundaries. Or simply make Dany evil… then the immense power of her armies and dragons become something to stop rather than make the rest of the series anti-climatic.
Yup, evil Dany would have been the most interesting way for the story to go. But if so, this should have started 3 seasons ago - her character development has been rather dull, amounting to little more than “sometimes a ruler needs realpolitik rather than just idealism”. I can’t imagine that they now have the time left to explore the ramifications of evil Dany, nor do I credit the post-GRRM writing with the subtlety to go that way.
I think the story might actually be far more interesting if she were now assassinated, leaving killing, warging and wighting as the only ways to control the dragons.
But Sansa is not the Lady of Winterfell and as I (rather poorly) put it in the OP does not want to fight for it. Even if she presumes Bran is dead (I wish the writers had given us some indication if she presumes he’s alive therefore Lord of Winterfell in abstentia) she has indicated that she thinks that Jon as a male, even as a bastard, has a better claim than she.
What would be very interesting is when they find out he’s here cousin not brother. Lady Marmont has sworn to support a Stark as King of the North so is Jon a Stark through his mother or does that not count and he is Targaryan? Even if Bran shows up, will he leave his Lordship to become a professional warger?
There is no way Jon can be that. Even if Rhaegar Targaryen were shown to be his father, Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell, not Lyanna Stark.
Olenna. We understand no depicted or referenced Tyrells, and none descended from her, survive. There might be some cadet branch of the family, but her “future” is gone.
My prediction for her is, unless the showrunners do some serious rewrites, we will either never see her again, or she will be the bit player she was intended to be.
The internet just died over her cuz she’s a 10 (or whatever) year old girl who was a queen or ruler of some sort and it excited the feminists/Buzzfeed/millennials.
