Jeyne Poole was in season one already anyhow.
Yeah but I doubt anyone remembers her. Hell, I don’t even remember her.
I suppose it doesn’t matter. They’ll just insert some dialogue to set up her backstory and no one would be the wiser. They could probably use a completely different actress and no one would even notice, unless they bothered to check IMDB.
This. They did it with Beric Dondarrion, so why not?
Precisely, it seems to me it doesn’t, and that any available male heir takes precedence over any woman (brother before daughter, for instance) in Westeros. But I can’t remember what made me assume that, so I might be mistaken.
The Targaryens do it this way since the Dance with the Dragons, a civil war they fought. We haven’t had a chance yet to see if Westeros will continue that tradition.
I think that’s exclusively a Targaryen thing. There was talk in Dorne about how according to Dorne tradition, Myrcella would be ahead of Tommen in the line of succession, but according to Westeros tradition she comes after him. There was nothing mentioned about how she’d be in the very back of the line because legally Stannis would come after Tommen.
And there are women in Westeros who rule in their own right, like Maege Mormont. Surely if they followed Targaryen rules, no woman would ever be able to inherit anything, since there is almost always some distant male relation that could lay claim to the seat before her.
I agree with most of the OP. Not sure about Sansa, and I don’t think we’re going to see some sort of three-way marriage deal. I also don’t think we’re going to see a classic battle with people riding dragons, killing white walkers etc.
I definitely think Tyrion is a Targaryen, but I don’t think he’s going to marry Dany. What intrigues me most about Tyrion is his apparent immunity to greyscale. Dany seems to be immune to fire, and Jon - well, if he does return he may be immune to ice. I wonder if that will be significant.
On greyscale - I personally think it did effect some of the dragons. I think that’s basically what we see on Dragonstone. Some of those statues aren’t really statues (doesn’t Mel go around trying to resurrect them?). Oh, and Dany’s eggs. I think it’s likely they were turned to stone by greyscale too.
And these thoughts have led me to believe that there might possibly have been a dragon under Winterfell. In one of Bran’s wolfdream chapters he sees a winged snake in the sky above Winterfell, which breathes fire (a roar of flame, I think). It seems to quickly disappear into the clouds. The reason I think this is because, as near as I can tell, who razed Winterfell hasn’t been resolved yet. The Greyjoys blame the Boltons, and the Boltons blame the Greyjoys. Well, what if it was a dragon?
Winterfell had hot springs - not sure if there’s a connection there. What if a warg stole a dragon from the Targaryens, and that’s why they couldn’t swiftly take the north and had to gather an army on the land? We know tales of Aegon’s conquest have been wildly exaggerated - he couldn’t take Dorne for example. All we know is that Torrhen knelt before the Targaryen armies could reach the north.
The only trouble with this idea is eyewitnesses. There were Greyjoys and Boltons around, and you’d imagine someone would have been looking up to the skies. But I guess if there was enough smoke and cloud cover/mist etc, it could have made a stealthy escape.
Who razed Winterfell was not a mystery in the books, Bolton did it we saw it through Theons PoV.
Dany is not immjne to fire. George has said so. Do people automatically get greyscale when to uched? If not then there’s no reason to believe tyrion is immune either.
Ramsey Bolton (or “Snow” at the time) to be more specific.
The other Bolton (Roose) was with Robb at the time.
Yeah, but the show pretty much spit in the eye of that. Even her hair is immune to fire on TV. When she confronts Drogon in the fighting pit, if the producers then decide to stick to the book and burn her hair off, it will be inconsistent with what we’ve seen so far.
How did they turn Winterfell into a ruin without flooding the entire area? I’m re-reading the first book, and Cat mentions that the hot springs run through the walls of the castle, keeping it warm.
The castle is not ruined, just burned. The supporting buildings and interior are ruined but the castle is still ready to be rebuilt (the wooden part) and reinhabited. In fact the Boltons are there throughout Dance w/ Dragons.
I’m sure the walls with their hot springs are still intact.
Melisandre is trying stuff with the stone dragons of Dragonstone because she’s mixed up a prophecy about stone dragons returning to life. She thinks it is a prophecy about Stannis, and those are the only stone dragons associated with him. It’s really a prophecy about Daenerys, and the stone dragons coming to life are her petrified dragon eggs - and the prophecy already occurred.
I think that grayscale is supposed to be leprosy. The way its effects are described - numb limbs “turning to stone” - resembles how untreated lepers used to suffer. Also the way its victims are shunned resembles leprosy, and its contagion not being understood also resembles leprosy.
Something occurred to me today. Another piece of evidence in the R+L=J theory is when King Robert and company visited Winterfell and Jon was banished from the family table. Perhaps Jon has a resemblance at times to Rhaegar and Ned wanted to keep Jon inconspicuous in front of Robert and Cersei in case they saw something. My kid looks nothing like my ex, for example, but sometimes there are certain facial expressions where it’s super apparent. So no one has commented on Jon looking like R, but maybe he does have little Targ traits that an eagle-eyed Cersei would have noticed.
It was Cat that banished Jon. He’s a bastard - he has no place at the family table with royal guests present anyhow.
It’s constantly pointed out in the books that Jon Snow looks Starker than most of the Stark children, with the exception of Arya. That’s part of the reason Cat hates him so much - because he looks more like Ned than Robb does. There’s never been any hint in the books that he’s like Rhaegar in any way. Lucky for him, if it’s true he’s the son of Rhaegar. Any hint of silver hair or purple eyes and he would have been doomed from the beginning.
I mean, what would have Ned done if Jon turned out to look like a Targaryen? It would have been impossible to keep it a secret. If R+L=J is true, Jon is one seriously lucky bastard.
Simply state that he takes after his mother? Afterall, the subject of Jon’s mother is a verboten topic at Winterfell. Even the King cannot discuss it much.
Presuming the R+L=J theory is right, I think that Ned had a lot of time to make his plans wrt how he would handle the situation, between the time he left Dorn and arrived in Riverrun.
Who happens to have the prominent physical traits of a Targaryen?
Yeah, I’ve never bought the R+L=J theory. It’s far more likely he’s Brandon’s kid, probably with Ashara Dayne.
Ashara Dayne does (or did), and she was rumored to be Jon’s mother.