I think Jeyne’s mom was giving her a contraceptive. She mentions to Cat that she’s sure she’ll be pregnant soon, since her mom is giving her “fertility” tea.
Cool. Talisa is the granddaughter of Charlie Chaplin. I did not know that.
That’s what I thought. Since her mother favors the Lannisters, it wouldn’t make sense for her to want Jeyne pregnant with an heir to Winterfell.
Now that Talisa is pregnant, I wonder how it will affect the story going forward. She might be lying, but I wonder what good would that lie do? If she’s a spy it would put her in more danger. If she’s not a spy, then there is no reason for her to lie.
If she is a Lannister spy, maybe they want her to get pregnant. Or at the very least haven’t discouraged her from doing so? Her son would be Robb Stark’s legitimate heir, and the key to the North. I know they already have Sansa, but maybe they just want to cover all their bases? If they wanted to bring the North back into the fold, people might be more willing to follow a son than a daughter.
Although Talissa would have to be pretty stone cold to be okay with getting pregnant by a man she knows is going to die, a man that she must have some affection for.
Or is it possible that she’s a spy but doesn’t know exactly what is going to happen at the Twins?
So many questions. I suppose they’ll all be answered next week.
Unless GRRM has confirmed to D&D that “birthin’ hips” theory, letting Talisa’s baby (if it exists) come to term while Jeyne doesn’t have one would warp the storyline too much, I think.
Either Talisa’s a spy and lying, or is really pregnant and will lose the baby (in which case her loyalties could go either way), or she’s not a spy and will die at the RW. Leaving her lingering around with an heir to the North is a complete game-changer from the books.
Littlefinger seems to be doing pretty well.
Joffrey was happy right up to that pigeon pie.
Euron Greyjoy is prospering so far.
Tormund Giantsbane – things aren’t exactly going the wildlings way, at least not how they pictured it, but Tormund is always in good spirits and seems to be the defacto king now.
The Tyrells in general are doing OK so far – some false accusations have been thrown their way, but that seems to have blown up in their accusers’ face. Loras has lost the love of his life, but other than that, they have not been too miserable at all. Although since they are allied with the Lannisters, this could change fast.
In the book they wanted to kill Jeyne because they thought she was pregnant. Jamie saved her by allowing her to go home and forbidding her to marry anyone for two years.
And she looks totally different in GoT to me. In The Hour she was always wearing tons of makeup. I didn’t realize it was the same woman until my wife pointed it out.
I hope they reveal Ygritte’s morality more explicitly – like the Iron Islanders, she believes that someone who steals is better than someone who makes or grows.
No one thought she was pregnant. Her mother made it clear that she had dosed Jeyne with contraceptives from the moment she was with Robb. Jamie wanted her to remain childless for two full years so it would be perfectly clear that Robb had no surviving children.
Although upon reflection I’m not sure what the Lannisters would do with an heir to Winterfell. Would they kill him out of hand, or rear him to be completely loyal to the Lannisters? I suppose there would always be that danger of him becoming a rallying point for any rebels in the North.
Good point about Tormund - he’s always cheerful. Loras, though, isn’t he now horribly burned and on death’s door? Or did I fall asleep while skimming and dream that?
That depends on whether you believe the Grand Tyrell Conspiracy.
The Tyrells strike me as similar to the Lannisters (at least Tywin) in that they hedge their bets. Their ultimate plans are based on keeping the family powerful no matter with who they are currently allied. Even while allied with Lannisters, they surely have built bridges so they can switch allegiance if it is required to maintain the family’s prestige and power.
Ah, that’s right, I forgot about Loras’s off-screen battle injuries. Maybe Qyburn will go “save” him too and we can have an undead-army-kingsguard.
That reminds me of one of my biggest WTF’s of the books – what is Margaery’s deal? The show has set her up as this world-wise seductress, but in the books she seems to be an innocent teenager who simply loves songs and stories and chivalry. My big question is why is she going to Maester Pycelle for moon tea? Does she have a secret lover? Or is her whole reason to go to Pycelle because she knows he is loyal to the Lannisters and that little factoid will bait them into a false accusation? That seems VERY risky and dangerous for Margaery.
Perhaps Moon Tea helps with other Female Troubles–just like The Pill?
(I do like the one on TV better than the one in the book.)
Why’s it risky? The Tyrells are much more powerful than the Lannisters at that point in time. The previously referenced “Grand Tyrell Conspiracy” makes the assertion that the Tyrells are playing Cersei so they can get her out of power.
Indeed, Loras’ injuries are off-screen and we only ever hear about them in Cersei’s PoV chapters, a lot of times from less-than-trustworthy sources. Also, the timeline which is reported to Cersei about Loras’ military movements don’t match up.
Man, how did I miss that? :smack:
I think Book-Margaery is as conniving and smart as TV-Margaery, but we don’t get POV chapters, so all we see is the naive little girl persona that she presents to the world. And yes, I think she played Pycelle and the Lannisters like a fiddle. Remember, despite her supposed wantoness, the Kettleblacks got nowhere with her.