… that burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the third one stayed up !
I’d just like to say that I’ve been lamenting the lack of “White Walker touches sword and shatters it” since the first episode. Glad they pulled that moment out of mothballs finally. Not quite how I pictured it, but still way cool.
Well it’s the least she can do since TV-Tyrion got there in time to stop Joffrey from stripping her naked in front of his court.
The wedding scene both in the book and in the miniseries reminded me a bit of Claudius’s first wedding in I CLAUDIUS (especially the height difference and the laughter).
Game of Thrones is not a miniseries.
I think both Book-Shae and Show-Shae love Tyrion, but it’s not a head-over-heels love, and both women still have that healthy, practical sense of self-preservation that makes for a longer life. When Tyrion is imprisoned and suspected of murdering the King, Book-Shae’s love for Tyrion isn’t so strong that she’s willing to share his fate.
And I agree that Tyrion really, really needs to kill her on the show. It’s important that his character does some terrible things to balance out the good that he does; few in Martin’s world are all good or all bad.
Any other thoughts on my question about the bedding of a bride and groom in a Westerosi wedding?
On the other hand, I wasn’t satisfied with the white walker turning into ice and shattering. Is that the way the die in the book? I can’t remember.
What gives you the idea that the guests stand around and watch the coupling after putting the bride and groom in bed? That would be creepy to the extreme! The men carry the bride upstairs, strip off her clothes, while the women do the same with the groom, and then they tumble them into bed together. That’s creepy enough as is, isn’t it?
In the book, they liquefy.
Right, and I really don’t like the torture-porn addition, esp as it’s not in the source material. Bad HBO!
Well, sure. But AuntiePam and I both think that maybe the guests stay in the room for the actual intercourse.
Looks like we’re wrong.
The GoT Wiki says bedding is:
Yeah, I posted that before I knew we were having a week off. Gonna be a long extra week.
I think it’s good that it’s being delayed for the Unsullied and people who wouldn’t be able to watch it live. Why have your most gut-wrenching plot airing on a night where a significant portion of people aren’t going to be watching it live? Personally, I need my fix. I’m already lamenting how far away next spring is. It’s my own Dream of Spring.
I did reread the chapter yesterday and lost it, although not as much as I did the first time. I think I kind of shut it down, trying to tell myself that I’m going to lose it all over again (probably even harder) when it does air.
I know the producers said that this is the one thing they most wanted to film, so on one hand, I’m heartened that they are not just going downplay it. I’ve loved the adaptation too, so that’s another point in their favor. However, it’s just important that I worry that it might not just be able to be done right. Or their vision is different somehow.
When I read Robb’s death, I had to go back and reread the passage. I thought, no, that can’t be right.
Book Shae always struck me as extremely shallow and immature. I think she liked Tyrion well enough, seeing as how he treated her like a princess. But she didn’t give a shit when he married Sansa, which to me shows that her feelings for him were only skin deep. It didn’t surprise me at all when she betrayed him. She seemed to positively revel in her testimony against him (that whole giant of Lannister thing was completely unnecessary and just cruel).
TV Shae has a lot of depth to her that Book Shae lacked, which is going to make her betrayal a lot more interesting.
The unsullied have caught on to the theory that Gendry might be Cercei and Robert’s true born son. I do wonder what are they going to do with Gendry. Book Gendry is knighted. Show Gendry is a sex/blood slave in Dragonstone. Though GRRM has been mum on Gendry’s final fate.
As an aside, if Jon Snow is really Lyanna and Rhaegar’s son and the kidnapping was more of an elopement, how is the show going to handle it. In the Books you get the impression very soon that Lyanna and Rhaegar did not act as the official line had it and such a revelation will not be surprising. In the show OTH you have no indication other that Jon is a bastard of Ned ( you could be forgiven for thinking his name was “Ned Stark’s Bastard”) and that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped. Such a revelation will be a bolt from the blue.
Not to mention that we have heard Lyanna mentioned zero times since season 1, and Rhaegar mentioned maybe two.
Nah, I don’t think it’s that cut and dried on the show. the “unsullied” over on TWOP have cottoned on to the idea at least. (Of course, it’s possible whoever brought it up was tainted by book knowledge or book-based theories, but others have latched onto it based purely on clues in the show. To be fair, they’ve also floated a lot of wacky theories that are totally wrong.) Just a few eps ago we had Barristan talking about how great a guy Rhaegar was. The clues are there, especially in S1, but in S2 and S3 as well..
Of course, I doubt it matters. I think it’s likely that the books will never explicitly reveal it, so the show doesn’t have to either.
Was he knighted? I thought he just kind of went away, but it’s been a while since I’ve read the books.
BTW, I almost posted a huge spoiler in the no spoilers thread. I thought I was in this thread and typed out a post about the Red Wedding. “Hey, whatever happened to Madmonk28?”
“Didn’t you hear? He posted a big spoiler in the GoT thread and was banned, then a posse tracked him down in real life and ripped him apart.”
Beric knighted him i believe.