How does every speaker introduce Bill Clinton?
Why would they do that if he hasn’t held office for over 14 years?
OK, my calls:
Jon is dead, but may be raised in some way.
Stannis is dead.
Sansa & Theon survived the fall. Still in danger.
Do they count as POV characters if the chapter is not named after them (although in book 5 or maybe 4, some chapters had actual titles IIRC)? E.g. the prologue characters like Merrett Frey or Varamyr, although I think the latter is still “technically” alive.
Finale comments:
Didn’t like how Stannis was handled. He put sellswords/likely deserters in charge of all the horses? I got the impression that the Bolton army was much smaller before that battle as well.
Jon:
Besides the motivation, IIRC the big difference is that they lured him off in the night while in the books IIRC it was in broad daylight with an audience of Wildlings and Baratheons. The book is closer to the Caesar conspirators, who didn’t want to make a martyr of him and wanted to do it blatantly to impress on the idea that it was a tyrannicide and not a (literal) political assassination or personal. I haven’t read anything from WoW: I don’t think we know what happens to Bowen Marsh and the rest? Do they immediately surrender, because “for the watch” not them? Does everything become more of a bloodbath? This is right after a giant smashes a guy who looked at him wrong, mind you (and also because the Dallas Cowboys suck). Does nobody else see it in the fracas? I’m not sure which version I prefer.
I don’t think Stannis is dead, the look on Brienne’s face when he said “do your duty” and the cutting away before the killing blow have to mean something.
I agree – the producers chose to cut away for a reason… either because Stannis isn’t dead or because they want viewers to think he might not be dead.
That’s what I thought too. It was a weird slash to quick cut away. There doesn’t seem to be any reason why Stannis is not shown to be dead in the show.
Not just that, but no scouts sent out ahead to see if there were any Bolton forces on the road to Winterfell?
He has been called the greatest military commander in Westeros. You’d think someone like that would have been a biiit more prepared on how to fight a battle.
By the end STannis does not have enough troops to raid a particularly riotous college party, never mind undertake proper military ops.
I would like to see Jon warg into Wun Wun, and give Alliser a thorough stomping. Pasty like.
Totally agree. I’d also think the wildlings would listen to him if not have a sense of loyalty towards him considering he saved all their asses. I hope they don’t screw this series up. John warging into his wolf sounds really dumb to me right now considering it’s never even been hinted at in the show. He can’t be finished as a character either, that would screw up everything. Melisandra raising him, being raised by fire on funeral pyre or Snow surviving the attack are the most viable options imo. I’d prefer the latter of the three.
Moved some book discussion to this thread from the show one.
PLEASE TRY, SOMEWHAT, TO KEEP THEM SEPARATE since that is what the OPs ask for.
No no no. The theory in the books is that Jon wargs into Ghost because that’s what he last says.
In the show his last word is “Olly.” So that’s who he’s going to warg into.
Then he’s going to kill himself. Because fuck Olly.
I think, because the producers wanted to have a couple fake deaths (Jon, most likely, and Theon/Sansa is meant to make people wonder) then they also needed to have a couple of actual deaths left slightly ambiguous (Myrcella/Stannis) so that it’s not immediately obvious which deaths are fake-outs. Stannis seems to have played out his arc. He’s lost his family, his friend, his faith, and his army. What can he possibly have left? Myrcella has always just been a plot point, not a real character. Her death serves a much greater purpose than her life.
Again, all my opinion.
I don’t recognize any correspondence between what I’ve said in relation to the term “crowd-pleasing,” and what you’ve written here.
However, I don’t think this thread is the right place to discuss it further. If you’d like to make a thread for discussion of the term, then I’d be happy to participate.
But isn’t that part of Stannis’s plot arc? That even when he’s beaten, he still fights? Regardless of how dire the situation, he still moves forward and fights?
His* head*…oh wait…
Of course it’s a nitpick. Actually it’s not even a nitpick, because nitpicks are usually correct.
You’re complaining that common people on casual conversation are failing to adhere to some rigorous legal definition of the word “queen.” It’s a ridiculous complaint because it’s perfectly plausible that people will do that. People do that kind of thing in the real world.
It’s even more ridiculous when you’re making that complaint about a fictional world in which it is perfectly legitimate to call a person a “queen” who is (1) the widow of the prior king, or (2) serving as queen regent for her minor son, the king, or (3) both. Unless you’re claiming some kind of expertise on the customs of Westeros, how do you know?
All men die.
Does Azor Ahai 
Actually you’re flat-out wrong. She is Queen Regent, acting ruler of the Seven Kingdoms. I mentioned this in the show thread and it’s even more relevant here because she explicitly reminds people in the book constantly, whenever they make a reference to “Margaery” and “Queen” in the same sentence, that no, she (Cersei) is queen. Tommen may be king in name but he is not old enough yet to rule in his own right, therefore Cersei is the acting ruler on his behalf. How can you have read the books and not know this?