Game of Thrones, The Wolf and the Lion, 5/15/11

Two things

One would each of the principalities have a standing force, or do they simply keep enough for cadre and city watch and leave the rest to militia call ups.

Second, the opening credits with the clockwork cities, there is always this one tree in winterfell, I believe, is there any significance to this.

Declan

Declan, see PM, re: the second question.

Wasn’t it in the first episode where Ned and Cat were hanging out under that huge tree talking about the job as Hand? I don’t remember. And where did Cat take the retainers to talk about Bran’s injury being intentional? Wasn’t it in the forest somewhere? I’m having a memory fail.

No. But Renley is reasonably hot…but maybe only because he bears more than a passing resemblance to my favorite British actor, though.

Can’t remember the scene with Cat and Ned, but this scene, while in a wood, was clearly not near the tree in question, as it is very distinctive (red leaves, and all) and not visible in the scene.

Yes, same place for both, IIRC.

See, this is why “pretend the books don’t exist” doesn’t work…the tree has not even been mentioned, other than BEING there, in the series. Is that enough in-show justification to begin a discussion about weirwood and the First Men? I have no idea.

There is no reason to be confused here. Anything you know about the tree from reading the books that hasn’t been mentioned in the TV series is out of bounds for this thread. If you can’t respond to a question based solely on information from the TV show or the HBO website, then just don’t respond.

That’s pretty ridiculous.

Sorry, Declan. That question is Forbidden. You should have known better than to even ask it, since “there is no reason to be confused here”, at all.

Jesus, what a bunch of fucking children.

The point of the ‘don’t talk about the books’ rule is to avoid spoilers. (Such as randomly blurting out points that STILL haven’t been revealed on the show in the threads for the first two episodes.)

Expanding it beyond ‘don’t mention anything from later than has been shown’ doesn’t really serve that goal - although, granted, it’s not always clear what’s been cut, what’s been moved to a later point to serve the flow of the series, but that’s easily dealt with with a little thought on what else for a given character’s plotline has been shown, not where it fit in respect to other plots.

Expanding it to ‘don’t explain details that, while interesting, are not significant enough to get an explanation in the show’ is at best, overkill as the above, at worst actually counter-productive to that goal, as people, like me, before I broke down and started reading the books, who are interested in the details, will be forced to go into spoiler-laden areas - the spoiler thread, or the internet at large - to find out. (And, let me tell you, I’ve gotten so many spoilers just trying to remind myself of names when my copy of the book wasn’t handy! Especially annoying when I never actually found the name (well, title) I was looking for, but got major spoilers on several characters marriages.)

PM is an imperfect measure, as it only allows the person who directly asks about it to learn.

The problem is that it’s tricky to tell what exactly is a spoiler. For some people background that isn’t covered in the show is just informative - but maybe they’re taking that plot point out of order and will address it in a future episode, so it would end up being a spoiler. It becomes tricky to tell what will be a spoiler, and to what degree people will have tolerance for being spoiled. With that said, I’m fine and appreciative of a no-spoiler policy in general - to just talk about the show as if the show was all that existed - to set a clear line and avoid accidental spoiling or ambiguity/demarcation problems.

Actually, it seems like the perfect measure, in that only the people who really want to risk spoilage will ask for a private message.

I don’t think minor comparisons to the book which don’t actually include plot information are really “spoilers,” but I can see how it would be annoying to those who haven’t read the books and just want to watch the show as a show to read a lot of constant asides about how this or that little thing is different from the book. It’s digressive, if nothing else. Book comparisons, even trivial ones, should probably be confined to the spoiler thread. I’m sure the show threads will never be perfectly “book free,” but I think we can minimize it.

“Pretend the books don’t exist” seems pretty straightforward to me, and avoids any possibility of spoilers, however minor or slight. The OP set the ground rules; if you don’t like them, don’t post here. Simple enough.

Please find a less insulting way to express your impatience.

Thanks,

twickster, Cafe Society moderator

Not really.

I’m stupid. I should have thought of it long before this.

I’ve started a non-spoiler background questions thread for the series. If anyone has a question about the world, the society, the religions, the families, the lands, or anything else that isn’t a spoiler, but the answer to which is probably from the book but not the series, come on in and ask. If people who know the answer think it’s a spoiler, we’ll tell you that, but post no spoilers, even under a tag.

Well, you sure convinced me.