x-ray, sorry, but I think your position is stupid and have lost interest in it.
Does anyone else feel sorry for Gatopescado, though? LOL, I bet he had no idea his little comment would start all this.
My last post isn’t about my position; it’s about your inconsistency regarding your position on Gato’s post.
this is worth repeating, I think. they do a great job in general and I appreciate it.
that also occurred to me and the answer is, maybe. I haven’t read G’s posts enough to have a feel for him and he hasn’t been in this thread, has he?
I plan to give him the benefit of the doubt.
You were the first person in this thread to mention banning and firing—a mere 15 posts earlier. Pro tip: next time, wait for the thread to hit a new page before pretending you didn’t say something.
Gato isn’t banned, and nobody suggested he should be. Nobody talked about people getting fired before you did. In any case, getting banned from a message board is hardly equivalent to losing a job.
Want some more straw for that man you’re building?
So, let’s see, you’re confessed sock who has garnered a modding less than a full month into your new tenure here.
How long until the suspension hammer falls?
I do. The guy may have poor taste in jokes, but he’s smart enough to stay out of this. I doubt that he wants to be the Rosa Parks of the Dope’s MRA brigade.
Oh, shut up. Really.
For why? Pointing out that you have broken at least two black-letter rules?
You win the thread!
I’m sure a moderator will be along any moment to announce that, due to Fruitbat2 not using her original account, Gato’s warning is rescinded and crude titty jokes are now completely hunky-dory.
You are correct. I have gotten more than several PMs from women that have vented to me about the issue and then quietly left.
I’m not sure how to have a productive discussion about what your feelings about what might have happened but didn’t are. I mean…maybe? “Did you get a boob job or what?” is still pretty jerkish. “I wonder what kind of changes you’re talking about, because my answer would be different if you got major surgery like a boob job, than if you got a haircut,” would almost certainly pass muster. Even whilst using the word boob, it displays thoughtfulness and a reason for the topic to be brought up. More, it furthers the conversation that’s already happening.
“Boob” is not a banned word. There are other banned words (which I think is stupid), but boob isn’t one of them.
Sorry man, when did I say anything about the warning?
Fruitbat2 Has been around for less than a month, she’s already drawn a note and she copped to being a sock.
I said nothing about titties or anything else.
I said she broke two black letter rules - one she’s been modded for.
Gimme a break!:rolleyes:
She only started a new name because she couldn’t remember the old one. It’s not like she’s socking for the purpose of trolling. Jeez!
Why? People are warned for things discussed in a locked, buried, and unknown to many thread. Why should clear and visible rules be less important than secret rules?
You implied that if women wanted to avoid humiliating references to their bodies that they should go hide in spaces walled off from men. That’s implying that women should expect that kind of bullying in the wider world.
But, no, it’s not that women are asking to be protected from the wider world. They’re making a very reasonable request to be treated with respect and dignity in society, as they would be face-to-face.
Or is that not what your snide references to “trigger warnings” and women-only threads was getting at? If not, then you’re the one who needs to explain what you meant.
I have a hard time parsing this muddle of reasoning. Regardless of what you think the substantive question or debate that the OP was asking, none of it was inviting us to speculate openly about her secondary sexual characteristics.
Calling it a joke gone wrong is the most generous thing you can say about it. Anything else is much worse.
I was specifically responding to Levdrakon’s offensive remarks about creating women-only forums or posting trigger warnings. That’s exactly what those kinds of things imply—that any woman who complains about such treatment is too weak to go out into mainstream society.
Shall I give you a clue? It’s demeaning when you do it to someone on these boards, regardless of whether you know what he or she really looks like. We’re actual people here. Treat us like that.
Like I asked earlier, “Isn’t that what any banned poster would say?”
I’m glad we agree in general then.
The word being forbidden wasn’t my concern though. It was that using the word in a thread about something even peripherally, possibly construed as a women’s thread about body issues also isn’t forbidden per se. It’s all about the intent, context, etc.
Otherwise the mods could just have a program scan every such thread for key words and issue warnings and bans for them while they sip margaritas and surf youtube. (Don’t get any ideas mods!)
So my hypothetical was intended to illustrate exactly a case where some might think it was still inappropriate but the mods probably should consider the context and intent carefully before responding. ITD confirmed that she would consider context and intent in such edge cases and that’s all I was trying to find out.
For future reference, if a bunch of people point out that a comment you made is considered insultingly personal and offensive by many, your options are:
1/ Say, “Wow, sorry, I didn’t realise, I’ll watch out for that”
2/ Say, “Yeah, I was trying for a joke but it was pretty dumb, sorry”
3/ Argue for four pages, “That’s stupid and it wasn’t offensive and anyway I can say what I like here”
Two of these responses are considered mature and responsible and will garner approving nods from pretty much all concerned; the third will leave most people wondering just why you’re so invested in insulting the annoyed group.
Why are you and levdakon going on about this? The mods are well aware of this, and are presumably deciding how to handle it. Yet you continue with this ominous talk of suspensions and “black-letter rules.”
It sounds to me like you’ve decided that, if you can’t win the argument, you’ll settle for a scalp.
I’m speaking very slowly. Warnings can lead to bannings. They are a bit more than simply “asking someone to stop.” It’s only in people’s active imaginations I ever claimed anyone was banned.
/speaking slowly.
Yet, no one has been banned. No one has been fired. You have (apparently) decided that this is imminent, and that women don’t care when it happens.
Warnings *can *lead to bannings, if the behavior continues. I imagine that there are a lot of posters on these boards who have gotten one or two warnings, yet continue to post.