Gay

I didn’t quite know where to put this, so i put it here.

What is it with societie’s fascination with gay people? They are ridiculed, talked about, singled out, etc. Is the idea of another human being not feeling the urge to reproduce, but rather being attracted to the same sex, still so odd to most of human society? Why should it be? The world is so populated that it is becoming a problem. So what it wrong with not having babies? Are we so primitive that having babies is still that important to us?

Or maybe, is singling out gay people now the only way to be prejudice and not be considered a bigot? It seems to me that way. You can make fun of a man for being gay and not be harrased, but if you make fun of him for being black, then you got trouble. What’s the deal?

It’s only recently that homosexuality has been so out in the open, so it’s still an unusual thing to alot of people. I figure that many people don’t understand it, and so they make fun of what they do not understand. This doesn’t make it right, but the good news is younger people seem to be much more tolerant. I would imagine it won’t be long before mocking homosexuality will be as politically incorrect as making fun of someone’s race. Probably the biggest thing going against it is that there are still many people who believe that homosexuality is morally wrong or against God. But at one time people belived that God made blacks inferior to whites, so religious ideas can change over time.

I don’t think it has anything to do with not wanting to reproduce. Many gay women have children through in-vitro fertilization. Many gay men adopt children (but would have their own if they could) and gay couples with children are becoming more mainstream all the time.

I think the fascination with gays is natural. People are always curious about people who are different from them. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I know I am curious. But that doesn’t make me anti-gay.

I has something to do with the Secret Gay Media Cabal® , which ensures that the sexual orientation of sitcom characters and talk-show hosts becomes fodder for the nightly news, pushing important stories off…

To tell the truth, I don’t think about gay people at all. Even when people use “gay” as a blanket derogatory term not referring to homosexuality (though whether they are really referring to homosexuallity, unbeknownst to themselves, is a matter of debate that got me in some hot water some time ago).

I find the subject of homosexuality and society’s responses to it fascinating. I’m not sure I can say why, but I suppose it’s no different than when others find other social factors interesting.

ssj_man2k wrote:

You’d be hard-pressed to make fun of a man for being gay without repercussions nowadays, especially in a big city.

My colleagues at work can poke fun at me - hell, even I poke fun at the fact that I’m a gay pillhead - but I know it’s in fun…

Now, if some engineer were to call me a “maudite tapette” (f-in faggot - the engineers speak French here) I’d be in human resources with a grievance so fast every head on my floor would spin and snap off.

In my experience, the more confident and accepting you are of your own queerdom, the less chance anyone’s going to make fun of you or be hurtful towards you. But that’s only been my experience; I can’t speak for others.

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Ditto that… and you think I don’t get crap as a straight gal who doesn’t want to have children?

It might be a matter of * where * you live ssj_man2k

It’s not an issue here at all. In fact: we find it very old-fashioned and dumb to treat a homosexual differently than a hetero.

Wishing you all the best…or; come live in Holland. :slight_smile:

Well, good gracious, Auntie Em, you’d think they’d realize that you have to stay free to take care of young Miss Gale when she arrives!

Ignore all the other posters; they’re just friends of Dorothy, but you’re her blood relative!

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I agree with auntie em. She is very wise and stunningly beautiful.

I was with some kids playing in the woods once; they turned over a rotting log and a magnificent stag beetle stumbled out “what’s that?!” exclaimed one “I don’t know! Kill it!” shouted the other.

Pardon me? You saying exactly what? Que? Primitive? What, you missed to whole lesson on Darwinism and propagation? The adjective primitive in this context is very dumbfounding.

If it wasn’t for the good old child bearing, I’m quite certain we’de be…well, very permanently extinct. Everyone doesn’t have to do it. Or if they do, they might not even do it the old traditional way. But, nevertheless, SOMEBODY has to do it. That is if we want to be around for the party called life.

Even gay have parents. And even some parents are gay. Offering your services to raise a happy child is a wonderful thing. And I am saddened that some primitive people want to deny gays that honorable right.

If you like your own existence, dissing on us child-bearers as primitive is pretty daft, if you ask me…

Cite please? linking childbirth with population? :smiley:

:: d&r ::

Actually you’re known as a breeder. :wink:

:))

But, I’m taking too much credit here. After all, I didn’t do much of the bearing. My wife did that part. I did help a little though :smiley:

Not in my house. Where do you get these things from? A frat house bulletin?

There’s certainly prejudice everywhere agaist all kinds of people. And gays have been subjected to a lot of it. But there are plenty of communities that find homophobia deplorable and place it on equal ranks with all other sorts of bigotry. Did you miss the 80ies and the whole gay movement?

But maybe I’m wearing my rosy pink New York sunglasses and have spent too many moments in the West Village and Chelsea. And maybe I spent too many nights roming around Munich, Germany in my tweens, a city known for its gay scene. I guess so.

Cheers, scott evil! That’s a hell of a good piece advice to all of us, be we queer or not. Be confident and accept who we are while also accepting who the the guy next door is…

**ssj_man2k wrote:

What is it with societie’s fascination with gay people? They are ridiculed, talked about, singled out, etc. Is the idea of another human being not feeling the urge to reproduce, but rather being attracted to the same sex, still so odd to most of human society? Why should it be?**

I’d like to offer my own theory: gender identity.

The one constant curse thrown at gay men (I’m not sure about gay women. Andygirl, help me out here) is that we’re not REAL men.

I’ve always found this confusing. I have a fully functioning penis and two perfectly working testicles. I’ve even put them to the ultimate test and they worked fine. :smiley: (but that’s a story for another time).

For whatever reason, many people equate gender identity (being a REAL man or a REAL woman) with the idea of procreataion. On the other hand, the feminist movement has shown us that one’s sexual equipment has nothing to do with one’s abilities (in fact, it’s really relevant to only ONE specific ability).

So, how do we define being a REAL man or woman? I think the question is irrelevant. What matters most is being a good person, not a REAL man or woman.

But many people don’t to get rid of this very old idea; that men are SUPPOSED to impregnate women and women are SUPPOSE to bear children. In today’s society, this idea has about as much relevence as saying that the White race is superior to the Black, Brown, Red and Yellow races.

There’s an apocryphal story of a Hollywood birth announcement that, adapted to your marriage, would read:

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