Gene Hackman and wife found dead, and dog

Because it feels like some of us are trying to understand how to minimize our own risk as we look at how this tragedy unfolded …

As I said, I’m sick. When my wife goes out of town, aside from my daily check-in emails sent by 8am, I also:

  • Prop the pantry door wide open (there’s dog treat bags on the pantry floor), and
  • Leave a BIG metal bowl of water – over a gallon, I’m sure – in a part of the main floor that’s away from my dog’s eating station
  • I have one of these in the front window

Even if I fail a check-in, there’s no guarantee of how long it might be before somebody got to the house. Worst case, my beloved dog, Sam, will have food and water until the cavalry comes.

A mess of dog pee and poop seems better than a lot of other possible outcomes.

It’s all odds, right? The most we can hope to do is shift the odds in our favor through reasonable efforts. I do not wear a full-face motorcycle helmet while at home on the off chance that I might take a nasty fall :wink:

But the dog stuff is pretty basic and pretty simple.

But you could wear a Smart Watch to report the fall.
I’m much happier having the watch on “just in case”.
Also useful for lots of other health related issues and just plain getting weather, emails etc on my wrist for easy access.
I hate being tethered to the phone and the watch is less intrusive.

A fall is far less likely for me, in my situation, than my heart stopping on the couch or in my sleep.

Cardiac output goeth before the fall :wink:

So much of this depends on what his will/trust says. I can certainly see it assuming that Hackman would pass before his wife, and make no statements of what to do in the alternative. In such a case I’d have a hard time denying the children a bite at the apple.

My MIL had a situation where her longtime friend, who in recent years cut off all contact with her, still had her as executor and sole beneficiary. It’s weird, but legally it’s her property, you go by what’s written in black and white.

That sometimes happens with ex-spouses as well. The couple gets divorced, but one or both of them don’t update their wills which named their now ex as the beneficiary. Then when they die, the ex is the beneficiary. Some states handle this by nullifying the ex as an executor or beneficiary after a divorce, but I don’t think that’s true for every state. The same may be true for life insurance beneficiaries. Some states nullify the ex as the beneficiary of the policy after divorce, some don’t.

Lots of reasons for falls other than a cardiac event. Household falls are high on the list of injuries to seniors,
In my case the primary reason is a come off on the mcycle.
I fainted in the kitchen after a too short stay in hosp for operation.
Out cold when I hit my head and burned my chest with hot pasta.
Woke up and called partner tho I actually got myself up once I woke up.

That would be incompetence rising to the level of malpractice on the part of whoever prepared his trust / will / etc.

For somebody who understands none of this stuff, and DIYs it by buying something off the internet or cribbing from a library book, that kind of oversight is not inconceivable. For anyone with serious wealth who hires an actual attorney, to a 99.9% certainty that issue was addressed deliberately and thoroughly.

When Mom died in Idaho (2007), CA required an auxiliary CA probation in order to transfer or sell any property located in CA being transferred by an out of state probation. In our case, that was two acres of unimproved desert property with no connection to any utilities. It was not worth the cost of the auxiliary probation. So we abandoned it.

That’s one reason that people put CA property into trusts.

I’ve done it. North to south in one day. Carry plenty of water (or better yet cache it), The Esplanade gets very hot.
Have fun.

/hijack

I am paranoid about this, to the point of having a phobia about falling down stairs. I always hold onto the handrail, and never carry bulky things up and down stairs which prevent me seeing where I’m going.

My husband and I are both in our mid-70’s, both still active, and we haven’t done a damn thing about any of these (non-will related) possible events. I have now turned on my smart watch for hard fall detection, that’s something at least. We don’t have pets, and unless my husband is out of town (happens once a year) he would find me anyway within a couple of hours. That could well be too late for some events, but hey, no guarantees in life.

I’ve done down the Kabob trail and up the Bright Angel in a day but I think yours is harder as you have a longer climb.
The hardest thing I’ve every done physically in my life and what surprised me …my wife at the time who was serious athelete all her life said it was the hardest thing for her too,
I have coming over the top of the Bright Angel embedded in my mind 50 years later…that last stretch is a bitch.

Why not eh? You are already wearing it and I’m not seeing many false alarms noted online tho I had one …caught it in time…there was no fall.
Friend who also uses one has had a couple when rough housing with grand kids.
I’m very pleased to have fall detection on my wrist when I’m out on the mcycle. 60 years riding and getting to the end of my riding years…like the security blanket,

Concur. I thought I was just ticking off a bucket list challenge, nope, that last bit seemed interminable. There was a part about 3/4 of the way through, I genuinely thought I might not make it. Easily the hardest thing I’ve ever done.

The fall detector feature on watches and pendants isn’t infallible.

Not sure why that is relevant. Only death and taxes are “infallible”.

Concur. I thought I was just ticking off a bucket list challenge, nope, that last bit seemed interminable. There was a part about 3/4 of the way through, I genuinely thought I might not make it. Easily the hardest thing I’ve ever done.

Even then in the 70s it was $150 to be rescued by donkey.
Can’t imagine the cost now.

Jim Henson was also raised in Christian Science, which does not believe in medical care beyond prayer (which TBH was about as useful as any medical care at the time the cult was founded, in the mid 1800s).

Most likely, these people experienced cytokine storm, which is basically the immune system going into nonspecific overdrive. This is believed to be the main thing that kills people who get hemorrhagic fevers like Ebola (and Sin Nombre disease, too), especially after disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) sets in.

You sometimes hear about people who get, for instance, meningitis or strep throat, and they end up having limbs amputated? That’s from DIC and cytokine storm, and it’s why there’s a meningitis shot even though the disease is extremely rare.

Not meaning to hijack the thread so sorry.

Summary

Bucket list but not challenge. This is a four day guided trip. The temperatures to 110 and being labeled as extremely demanding what with packs and all scared off two of my four kids from joining in, but I think it won’t be so bad so long as we have trained appropriately. Thanks for the wishes /end hijack.

Gene was fortunate to have a dedicated care giver. I don’t think it’s that unusual for the caregiver to get sick or die first.

Gene dodged the loneliness of a nursing home. He lived a long and good life until the end.

Except for that final week, which had to be awful for him.

There really isn’t a meningitis shot. The are vaccines for multiple bacteria that can cause meningitis, and specifically shots for meningococcal types A and B (the former more strongly advised than the latter.) Meningitis itself is really bad, not only bad if there is a cytokine storm. Before the MenA vaccine meningitis from that germ was a bit more than one per 100,000. Uncommon but for something that deadly not sure I’d use the phrase “extremely rare.”