Meh, you’re fine adding them. But they actually have to have men to really count.
I’d ask to see a RL ninja, but if you see them they’re not ninjas.:dubious:
This guy appears to hit all your requirements: black and hypermasculine, right?
The accent seems way too off
And didn’t I say that I am interested in studying masculinity in general? May as well gimme how masculinity is perceived through the lens of disabled and gay people 
I’m not adding them. I’m asking what your criterion is for a “masculine group/culture.” You don’t seem to have any clear idea of what you mean.
Are drag queens, in your estimation, a masculine culture just because they are male, even though they deliberately adopt feminine clothing and behaviors?
As another example, I have no idea why “hunter-gatherers” is in there. It in no way a masculine group or culture, but a subsistence category. In most traditional cultures the men hunt while the women gather. You might as well say “farmers,” since in traditional cultures the men typically clear the land while women cultivate and harvest the crops (but there are many exceptions).
If I bothered listing metrosexuals and male feminists, not sure why that wouldn’t count.
How does that address the question I asked you?
I’ll repeat: Does the trans bodybuilder in the link I provided fit within your model of masculine groups/cultures? Why or why not?
What is it that you really want to know?
Thank carefully and ask your question in a way that we can all at least understand.
Help us help you.
Neither metrosexuals nor (especially) male feminists deliberately present themselves with feminine characteristics, as drag queens do. (And if you would include male feminists in the same category as drag queens, then you have some very peculiar and naive ideas about male feminists.:dubious:)
But I’m asking you to define what you mean by masculine groups. So far you’ve mostly further confused the issue.
I’m getting the impression, that’s his schtick! He clearly has a gift.
4 chan trolls, nice guys, gamers, hackers, soccer hooligans, football fans, baseball fans, snooker players. Then there’s all the car, motorcycle, truck people and gun people, however you want to divide them up. Yachties. Poker players. Outdoor adventurer types. Outdoor survivalist types. My daughter was complaining about the super masculine vibe at the environmental protest she went to, so maybe environmental protesters. Oooh, lumberjacks, a classic. How about oil tycoons?
Last reply was really spot on, yeah lumberjacks are very good example I forgot to mentioned too.
The problem with the question I feel are semantics
Yes, drag queens are still a male subculture. They may be one of the least masculine, but that still doesn’t make it less of a male subculture, just the same way butch lesbians are not any less of a female one.
What’s wrong with studying some cultural and social differences of something? So much that the norms are evolving and changing so…
What is it you really want to know? You haven’t clearly asked a question that is understandable. If you could do that, there is possibly someone here who could answer it. There are too many variables in your OP .
Once again, you dodge the actual question. How are you studying something if you can’t ask a coherent question or explain to people what you want to know?
Is there anyone with a Y chromosome who isn’t masculine, according to your definition so far?
Bueller?.. Bueller?.. Anyone?..
Aside: Are you off your meds right now?
Sure he fits, I never stated he has to be strictly a cis male.
No…
For one, why are there so many ideas of masculinity? And why do so many seem to vary by race, culture, religion or age group?
Answer my question. Does the trans body builder fit into your rubric of “masculine group/culture”? Or does his lack of Y chromosome a disqualifyer?