Genre Fiction Mafia

God damnit, my last post looks like a parody celeb gossip column with all the bolding. :smiley:

Posting on my phone during my lunch break, so will make this quick. I’ll be back late tonight to post more. I just wanted to mention that we can probably assume there is a doctor on our team, if there was a mas redirect then the doctor’s protection and the scum kill both probably redirected also. Is this a safe assumption?

Thanks.

Apparently, it prevented the NK, which is great.

Ooh, I hadn’t considered that, but that’s a good idea. Makes a lot of sense to me.

(I was in response to Hirka… I’m gonna start quoting now, I keep missing with my responses)

Red has since sent me a correction:

'Hmm. Typo’s abound.
The result that you should have gotten was:

You find nothing “out of place” about Astral Rejection’s Person.’

That makes more sense. :slight_smile: All cleared up now.

Ay-yi-yi-yi. For once Pleo’s stubbornness is the right answer even if he is town.

Mass redirect of at least three claimed powers to Mahaloth.
Potential redirect of other powers as well (mad bomber? scum kill? Protection? the roleblock that Astral says didn’t hit him?)

Have a fun night, Mahaloth? :slight_smile:

The way fluid handled this does make me think she is town.

Wait, which roleblock? Astral hasn’t mentioned a roleblock toDay.

The roleblock that didn’t hit him today (and thereby allowed him to receive a result) but did yesterday. Per Astral’s story.

Ayup.

Came home for a few after rotation before going into work, so wanted to answer some of the questions posed to me today.

First, my vote of SisterC, I explained the vote in post 414 , but as a recap, it looked like she tried throwing suspicion at Ed, while not actually making a case. I then did that multi-vote on Pleo, not actually expecting the votes to count (hence why I never actually unvoted first), it was mostly being po’d at the way Pleo always multivotes, and then tries to use it as an excuse later in the game. When I got back after not being on for a while, I see that Sister claimed, and then voted for fubs. I voted when I did because the case against him was better then the case against Astral (in my mind at least), and I wanted to get Astral out of the lead in votes. I voted when I did, since I was sorta hoping other people would change their vote off Astral before the end of the day. Well, fubs then unvoted as the very next vote, some other people changed their vote so Astral wasn’t in danger anymore, and fubs made a claim which I believed, especially since he unvoted Astral putting himself on the lynch lead. So I voted for Pleo, since he was 3rd in votes, and I do find his playing style scummy. I’ve only played one game before this one, and Pleo was scum in that one. He is doing a lot of the same things this game, makes it hard for me to trust him, when he seems to be anti-town when he plays scum, or town.

It was a joke, wasn’t suppose to count. :smiley: At least now we know how Red handles Pleo’s multivotes.

Hope I made sense in explaining my day one votes. As for my day 2 vote, I believed Astral’s claim since the beginning, so when gnarly voted for him, it looked to me like he was trying to start a new bandwagon against a claimed cop. He just never made a case to defend himself, and there were no other good cases made to make me want to change my vote.

On a different note, since we now know of at least 3 town power roles, plus a possible 4th with whatever Tom is, and we know the scum have a role blocker, and a possible 3rd party mad bomber; has anyone calculated around how many scum there might be?

How do bombs typically work in games? According to what I’m hearing, I have been targeted for one, even though I received no message informing me so.

Does this mean I’m likely to die at Night…or the next Day?

Usually a mad bomber tags one person each night. If the number of tagged players is greater than untagged, the mad bomber wins. If we fear the mad bomber will win before scum we could lynch you or anyone else we know who is tagged to keep the numbers down, but that takes away town’s lynch that day.

Interesting developments. It certainly looks like a mass re-direction took place last night. I presume that it was a person with a role who re-directed and not some random event? And I am inclined to think that it was a town role, or at least a non-scum role, since it seemed to benefit town with no NK. If it was a town role, I think it tends to confirm Astral’s and fluid’s investigative roles, and to a lesser extent Tom’s magic bag. I am not so sure it confirms any of them as town. I could easily see fluid’s role as a 3rd party with a win condition of something like, You win if the mad bomber is killed before you are and less than half of the players are tagged. Though how we would know that with no role reveals? Will we know if we kill the mad bomber? And who knows about Tom? If the mass re-director was scum, then any number of people could be claiming roles that were re-directed.

I am guessing that Mahaloth got tagged last night in the mass re-direct, but that some one else was tagged N1? I am guessing that the bomber would target those least likely to be killed? Do we have a clue who those might be? It certainly seems like we might want to kill the tagged at some point, though if we believe Astral that Mahaloth is not scum, I’m inclined to leave him alone for the moment.

A recap mostly for myself:
Astral claims “weak detective”, blocked N1, Mahaloth not scum N2.
fluid claims “bomb detector”, no bomb with Astral N1, Mahaloth with bomb N2
Tom claims magic bag, unknown N1, Mahaloth not “eligible” N2
Sis claims vanilla
Pleo claims non-vanilla and non-scum and was investigated by Astral who was re-directed

Did I miss anything?

What three power roles, Hirka? Are you assuming a doctor?

A mass redirect seems like very good thing for town, as it ensures that if there is Doctor, they will automatically be protecting the target of the Night Kill. That actually seems a little bit broken, so maybe there is something else going on. Or there is some limitation. Or there is no doctor but Mahaloth had some other way to be protected (is that possible, to be protected from Night Kills? That seems a bit broken as well.)

The posting order for fluid, Astral and Tom Scud makes all of them look like town to me.

I voted for fubbleskag on Day 1 because I didn’t want to lynch Astral at that point, and I thought the case on fubbleskag was decent. After he claimed, and Hirka switched to Pleonast straight away, I thought about switching off him, but if I’d unvoted him, it would have left a tie (with Pleonast), with not much time left in the Day. I could have voted for Pleonast, which is what has led me to look at the case on him so much, and I guess, end up defending him to a certain extent, because I don’t really follow anyone’s logic on him. Winston Smith and fluiddruid voted for him on the basis of his soft claim, which doesn’t concern me that much (the claim doesn’t). Hirka and fubbleskag didn’t give much of a reason. Normal Phase and pedescribe did make a case, but I couldn’t really follow it. Especially with Normal, I feel like she is playing the game on a much higher level than me. A lot of things she says are based on her mass of experience and as a newbie I find it hard to evaluate her logic. Her case on Pleo looked Day 1 vague to me. Overall I found the case against fubbleskag better than the case on Pleonast, so I didn’t switch.

Day 2, people are still voting for Pleonast, so I will have to go over everyone’s arguments again and try to make sense out of them.

I was counting fubbleskag’s claim on day one as a remorseful vig, Astral’s weak cop, and fluid’s bomb detector.

Oh yeah, fubbleskag, of course.

Three of them, plus Tom(??) plus a doctor(??) That might mean a lot of scum, or some powerful scum roles. What kind of powerful scum roles can exist?

Godfather, Redirector, Busdriver, Investigator, Roleblocker, Strongman, DayKiller, Tough Guy, blahdiblah. There’s a bunch of stuff and especially with a closed setup, there could be all sorts of stuff we don’t know about. The lack of role reveals makes this even more pointless then it would be otherwise because the scum won’t tell us who we killed and neither will red.

Don’t forget Pleo’s magic bag in all of this, either. The scum aren’t likely to.

Wow, a lot of action today. Too bad it came at the cost of so many claims.

To keep things straight I wrote up summary of how things played out. Please correct me if I have something wrong.

Night 1
[ul]
[li]fluiddruid investigates Astral, and receives ‘You find “out of place” about Astral Rejection’s Person’. The wording is strange, so she waits until the next result to clarify things.[/li][/ul]

Night 2
[ul]
[li] fluiddruid investigates Pleo, but instead receives a result that Mahaloth is bombed. She follows up with Red who confirms the result was indeed about Mahaloth.[/li][li] Astral investigates Winston, but also receives a result about Mahaloth instead, who is not ALE.[/li][li] Tom does something to an eligible someone, but instead receives a null result on Mahaloth who is not eligible.[/li][/ul]

Day 3
[ul]
[li] [907] fluiddruid partial claims an investigative role and says she has an incriminating result about Pleo. She asks Pleo to claim to see if his claim matches her information.[/li][li] [917] Pleo says he’s already claimed[/li][li] [921] fluiddruid votes for Pleo, saying she’s giving him a chance to save himself by asking for a claim[/li][li] [922] Pleo refuses to full claim, saying winning is more important than staying alive[/li][li] [924] Astral says he wasn’t blocked, and got a result, which he’ll reveal once he gets a clarification from Red[/li][li] [925] fluiddruid claims bomb detector and reveals that her investigation on Pleo came back with results on Mahaloth instead[/li][li] [926] Astral posts results that he investigated Winston but received a not-ALE response on Mahaloth instead[/li][li] [928] Tom says he has a magic bag, and was also redirected to Mahaloth[/li][li] [932] Astral asks if fluiddruid’s results on him were worded exactly that way since it seems words are missing. [934] fluiddruid confirms that’s exactly how it was sent[/li][li] [946] fluiddruid posts a correction that there was nothing “out of place” about Astral[/li][/ul]

My conclusions:
[ul]
[li] As has been postulated there was a redirect of many, probably all, Night 2 powers to Mahaloth[/li][li] fluiddruid is probably not ALE. This would be a very ballsy ploy for an ALE drinker to try, and she seemed genuinely confused by the results she received.[/li][li] Astral’s investigation result, and the way he revealed it, is a mark in his favor.[/li][li] Mahaloth is probably not ALE. This is of course dependent on Astral’s alignment, but if Astral is ALE it would be risky to say Mahaloth isn’t because we would immediately lynch Astral if Mahaloth flipped the wrong way.[/li][li] Tom also gets a mark in his favor for confirming that his power was redirected, though I give it a little less credence since a mass-redirect had already been mostly established.[/li][li] If fluiddruid is town it’s confirmed that there are third parties in the game, specifically a mad bomber[/li][li] Mahaloth is bombed, and that probably happened last Night. Astral isn’t bombed (yet?)[/li][li] As seems usual for Pleo this hasn’t confirmed or convicted him.[/li][/ul]

I don’t remember any roles in the games I’ve played that could redirect multiple powers. Is there a standard name for this role?

Also, is there any customary role that offsets a mad bomber that could also be a third party?

– On preview, it looks like TexCat already recapped with a lot of the same thoughts I had, so my post is a little redundent. That’s what I get for taking a dinner break in the middle of composing.