Who is this in response to? I’m not sure what you are getting at.
I assumed that if you were scum you wouldn’t want to claim any night 0 results since it was too late to do so without garnering more suspicion, and if you were town you would have come right out with it. I was evaluating your claim, and wanted to see how you would respond.
How is that noncommittal? You posted an exchange seeming to indicate that there were no actions at all night 0, and I thought it was odd that you didn’t think this was worth posting with your original claim.
In the games I played a while ago I think night 0 actions were more common, which is why I wondered about it.
I didn’t vote for you because you claimed cop, and I agreed that lynching you on day 1 wasn’t a good idea unless there wasn’t anyone more suspicious. If I hadn’t found someone else I thought was scum I would have voted for you, but I guess lucky for you I thought I had found someone scummier.
I was attempting to point out that fubbleskag went from what I considered a too-strong defense of you to voting for you without giving it much consideration. I thought a town fubbleskag would give it more thought than he seemed to, but a scum fubbleskag might have been looking for a reason to jump on your bandwagon.
One of my theories was that you were both scum, and that fubbleskag was defending you because you were too. I read through his posts both ways, though, and his actions toward you seemed scummy whether you were scum or town. If he was scum, and you were town, he could be defending you because he knew that.
That was in response to fubbleskag’s defense that my thinking he was scum was based on you being scum. I was trying to point out that I found his actions scummy even if I was wrong about you being scum. Maybe it makes no sense to anyone but me, but I wasn’t sure about you, especially with the cop claim, but I thought I’d found scum in fubbleskag.
I can’t argue that my Day 2 participation left a lot to be desired. I try to contribute as I have time, but this last week has been very busy.
I didn’t vote for you Day 1 because I thought fubbleskag was scum and I didn’t want to accidentally lynch a claimed cop, so he was a better vote. I didn’t vote for you Day 2 because the lack of a full reveal made your weak cop claim more likely and due to time constraints I was mostly just following along.
I guess I can see how you would classify me as having a high fluff-to-content ratio, but I disagree. I feel like the game has developed new depths since I last played, and I’m trying to get a feel for it. I think most of my posts have been constructive, though it seems I’m wrong more than I’m right.
Sorry it took so long for me to post, we had a power failure yesterday from 10am until I was in bed, it looks like I have a lot to read.
So it seems that** fluid**, Astral and ** Mahaloth are not ALE, most likely CARS. Tom** has a magic bag.** Pleo has a magic bag? Mahaloth** has a bomb planted on him.
From what I have read it looks as if there was a mass redirect in N2, would the redirector be a Scum or a Town role? Another thing I have been pondering, would the Bomb planter be a scum role? From what Inner posted it sounds as if it could be a 3rd Party role (Normal, pick on me again for bringing up a 3rd Party) because it doesn’t sound as if it could be a Town role.
I don’t think that** Mahaloth** would have directed everything towards himself, unless he was sure there was a Doctor or Protective role in the game. This makes me think that someone who was suspicious of** Mahaloth** would redirect to him and that the redirector is a Town role, because Scum would already know the answer. Please correct me if my thinking is way out of line.
Usually Mad Bombers are Third Party (playing for keeps). I can’t imagine there’s a player walking around out there with the ability to redirect all night actions to a specific player more than a very few times in a a game. Town or scum, that’s a powerful role, especially as it appears we have enough roles floating around to basically nullify each other.
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I’m leaning that way, too. If it’s a scum role, its only purpose would seem to be to make the person who did it look townie, since night kills are pretty much what the scum do for a living. The only way in which I can see this benefiting the scum otherwise is in how they must now know that the town still has a doctor. If they get no more death reveal information than the rest of us do (more speculation), then they would not know the impact to town’s power complement of Ed and charlie’s deaths. (Or if some investigative type role would have nabbed one of them last night absent the mass redirect, but obviously they couldn’t know that would happen ahead of time.)
Tom’s bag is specific enough that it’s likely he has something in there that fits the description, whatever his alignment.
I’d expect third parties and PFKs to flip as neither CARS nor ALE, though it’s possible they might not be distinguished from each other. But otherwise you’re right – there’s no reason on the face of it that we should know if/when any specific non-town/non-scum dies.
In isolation I think Tom’s is the weakest evidence of towniness of the three even if the redirector is not scum, since he came last.
He’s been investigated as town. Lynching him shouldn’t even be an option at this point.
Astral tried to investigate Winston Smith, not Pleo.
Bulletproof roles aren’t exactly unheard-of, though there’s usually some sort of restriction in my experience. Why would that be broken?
In what way was pedescribe’s case hard to follow, and where did you defend Pleonast? I don’t remember that specifically.
I think both fluid and Winston voted for a null tell, ultimately. Pedescribe’s case I do like, though it would be nice if he’d talk about anything else.
Not if it’s restricted, I guess. Otherwise it seems to make it harder for scum if there is a townie they can’t kill. I guess they could just be the last one standing.
I didn’t specifically defend Pleo, I have just said that I don’t see the case on him, and I didn’t lynch him when I could have on Day 1. I really have no idea about him or what alignment he is.
I’ll explain what I mean about pedescribe in the next post.
Pleonast is throwing around a lot of ideas, some of them pretty wacky. I thought he was chiding fubbleskag for making assumptions and just generally trying to think widely rather than specifically accusing fubbles of something. Pedescribe seems to know that he is being grandiose, but he still says he thinks it’s suspicious. OK, maybe, but I don’t really see it myself.
I don’t know what the debacle debacle was, or why it would be good strategy for scum. I also didn’t see it as smudge on fubbleskag because that would be ridiculous. But you guys took it seriously so maybe I am wrong. I don’t know, this is what am finding hard to evaluate.
It looks correct to me and thanks for doing that. I do want to put it out there again. Has anyone else claimed that Tex missed?
That’s still alive? Not that I know. Fubs on day one claimed remorseful vig but was lynched.
I had forgotten the tiger thing; by pedescribe’s case I am referring to the smudge of fubbleskag.
He was voting fubbleskag at the time, so he’s clearly accusing him of something. Let’s see though.
post 530 in reference to nesta’s case on fubbles. He’s already voting SisC:
Fubbleskag responds by asking him to summarize the case he finds so persusasive, and gives a
to the vote thing.
Pleo gives a short summary of the case (too many changes of opinion on Astral), then says:
I don’t know if that could legitimately be seen as just chiding or not, but it looks pretty damn gratuitous to me.
So. Quick thoughts on the claims.
1 - I agree with the people who mentioned that my magic-bag claim has much less information content concerning my alignment than the other two. I did cross-post with Astral’s post that immediately followed fluid’s, but I guess I theoretically could have written mine in the 2 minutes after Astral’s.
2 - I have been wracking my brain trying to come up with a scenario in which Astral is lying, given that he posted the bit about how something funny was going on with his investigation before Fluid gave any indication of having been redirected. The only thing I can come up with is that he himself did the redirecting, and I really don’t see that. I’d call him 95+% confirmed at this point.
3 - Fluid also looks pretty close to confirmed to me. Even if she is a third-party (as someone posited above), that doesn’t look like a win-stealing PFK role. It’s possible that the scum have a bomber detector, but I would expect a scum to have played things closer to the chest.
I just thought of a scenario, actually. If Astral is a scum investigator of some fashion (role investigator, for instance) and the mass redirector not scum, then he’d have been as caught off guard as anyone else when he wound up investigating Mahaloth instead of whomever he had intended to. It still requires some thinking on his feet regarding the implications of the roleblock he had claimed the previous night, but I don’t think it’s completely out of the question. I’m not worried enough about it to worry about it, though (if that makes any sense). Talk to me if he’s still alive in a few more days.
Getting a mostly-confirmed Mahaloth out of it is a good thing, regardless.
Okay, that makes sense. Doesn’t have to be him who is the investigator, actually; anyone on the scum team getting wonky results would work (provided they can day-talk).
I’d be surprised if they can’t, given the boost that night-strategy can give the town, but I don’t see anything in the rules about it specifically.
I’ve seen similar things before, but I don’t think there’s a standard name. It more typically takes the form of a “blocks all powers” rather than “redirects all powers” but it looks like the result is functionally the same.
A lot of people were listing power role claims immediately above me. Those people often listed Tom’s magic bag, but didn’t list Pleo’s (I’m neither scum nor vanilla). What’s hard to understand here?
Inner Stickler
Day 1
Post 107, interested in the Hammer vote
Post 118, more game mechanics
Post 122 more game mechanics
Post 128 answers Tom about another game
Post 131 asks Astral to be more Specific about ALE and CARS and 3rd Party
Post 135 tells Astral about there only being two factions that we know about
Post 138 Inners PM and Astrals don’t match.
Post 140 A joke
Post 144 Says Astrals PM is a Null tell
Post 147 talking about Astrals confusion
Post 149 game mechanics
Post 151 game mechanics
Post 153 Asks if there are any more Newbie questions and asks Ed about a mass claim.
Post 155 talking about Astral being away
Post 158 Reserves judgment on Astral
Post 161 more game mechanics
Post 165 Slumlords sound scummy
Post 168 wonders if Pleo will ever show up
Post 173 not sure if (game) names are important
Post 183 agrees with Ed that Slumlords sound scummy
Post 187 and 188 agrees that it’s strange that Astral forgot his alliance.
Post 192 going after Astral for forgetting what his PM said.
Post 195 Loves it when scum claim a role that has already been claimed
Post 199 asks what is confusing me (my answer should have been everything)
Post 201 game mechanics (although he was trying to help me)
Post 202 forgot a full stop (lol)
Post 229 feels Astral is adequately covered and is going to look for more scum.
Post 240 fluff IMO
Post 250 telling Astral that after a discussion with Red he would be able to identify all threats to town
Post 274 Hasn’t been in a game with a jester role.
Post 285 Games have had scum cops before.
Post 293 metagaming
Post 295 metagaming again
Post 305 game mechanics
Post metagaming
Post 386 If Astral is scum then he would find gnarly suspicious.
Post 397 we can’t have nested post because of ignorant users.
Post 420 Nod nod nod to Mahaloth
Post 422 doesn’t do well at breadcrumming
Post 452 game mechanics again
Post 454 Does not like Astral changing his vote to SisC
Post 462 Seems like he’s really after Astral and doesn’t believe his claim ( not the only one either)
Post 492 Inner votes Astral
Post 669 hmmph
Post 685 more game mechanics
Post 687 answers Normal
Post 694 talking about another game with Normal
Post 709 metagaming or talking about another game
Post 711 talking about another game
Post 713 bitches about sea green
Post 726 Talks about Astral again
Post 729 want s to keep Astral alive for awhile
Post 733 on about Astral again.
Post 734 telling Astral to read more games?? A good idea for us Newbies but not perhaps the best thing to say in game IMO
That’s as far as I have got, it’s late for me but I do see a pattern.
I really don’t think that Inner is Town and so I am going to
Vote Inner Stickler
What pattern is that? Or are you going off of the lack of scumhunting case from yesterDay?
No I am being accused of pussyfooting around so you were my target, I hope I haven’t offended you but Normal is on my case for me not saying anything.
I am so MAD that gnarly didn’t come up with anything good, I had faith in him and he let me down!! I am really lost now, after n2, sorry if I was building a case out of thin air.