Only that that rhetoric is the one many pro-lifers are going for, day in and day out. Indeed, it is not prudent, but that is what many pro-lifers are going for. That extremism is what also give us complete and total lies such as accusing Planned Parenthood of selling baby parts and ugly conservatives also lying about what is the actual position of democrats regarding late term abortion.
I think that you are spectacularly missing the point, **RTFirefly **and others are actually pointing at that reckless position of the extremists (that are running the Republican ship now) to point out that indeed, that is a dumb and dangerous position to have; and making laws to appease the fringe of the fringe is not a good idea indeed. And in passing, it is good to also point that most pro-lifers do indeed think that that extreme idea is really not a good one to follow; of course, then it follows that they should had dumped the stupid idea of pandering to that extreme fringe a long time ago, but here we are.
Well not really. It’s nobodies business but her own. The potential human will not even be a person for many weeks after being disconnected from the woman. So it’s not a value judgement is it? It’s an incontrovertible objective fact.
That depends on the definition of a baby. I believe that before a foetus has been disconnected from the woman who has had what is in effect a parasite for sufficient time as to become capable of surviving without medical intervention then at most it is no more than a potential baby. In this I am far from being alone here in Western Europe which is possibly why we came up with the Groningen Protocol.
While not quite a case of “die freigabe der vernichtung lebensunwerten lebens” Groningen is a very valuable option to have available.
There is far far too much sentiment where elective termination is concerned and especially from people who have no dog in the fight.
How many hardcore pro-lifers am I taunting with my rhetoric on this board?
You’re missing the point. Essentially: “If you really meant what you’re saying, you guys would have been bombing a LOT more abortion clinics.”
It’s too late to undo nearly a half-century of politicking and protesting while the holocaust rolled on, year after year, decade after decade, million deaths after million deaths. The pro-lifers have already spoken repeatedly - continuously across the decades - with their actions. That behavior is already done, and can’t be undone.
Wouldn’t that have to mean that she’s not excommunicated?
(Plus which, I suspect that particular child generally attended a specific church, and was a member of that particular church community. I doubt they need to do a background check to see who she is.)
Strikes me that the use of the word Holocaust is singularly inappropriate.
The Shoa combined genocide with the murder of sentient human beings whereas the disposal of what are at most potential human beings is an entirely different matter. A type mismatch if ever there was one.
Maybe if holocaust was preceded by “a” rather than “the” it would have been a little less inappropriate.
In fact, the new Alabama law begins with a preamble that specifically says that abortion in America has been three times as great a holocaust as The Holocaust, Stalin’s and Mao’s purges, the Cambodian killing fields, and the Rwandan genocide, combined.
Yes, they claim that the Holocaust itself is small potatoes compared to abortion.
No, in Georgia it’s a person now, before being ‘disconnected from the woman’, but more alarming than that error: What did you mean by “will not even be a person for many weeks after being disconnected from the woman”? What, precisely, do you think it is in the week or two after birth? Am I reading your post correctly that you don’t think it’s a person?
I suppose they’d say that God takes care of it - that the wine and wafer don’t get transubstantiated into the Body and Blood of Jesus when she consumes them. But that’s just my WAG, and I’ve never been a Roman Catholic.
That reminds me, I checked out the Wikipedia page that D’Anconia linked to.
Procuring an abortion is one of a very short list of sins that earn an automatic excommunication.
Murder isn’t on the list.
IOW, the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t just regard abortion as murder; it regards it as worse than murder. :rolleyes:
But it’s true. If they meant what they said then that’s what we’d expect to see. And not just bombings either. Riots, political assassinations, the works. And even those pro-lifers who didn’t have the stomach for violence should at least be encouraging it, and they shouldn’t be shy about it either. That’s what I’d expect to see if pro-lifers really believed what they say they believed.
But we don’t see this. We don’t see anything like this. This implies they don’t really believe what they say they believe. Oh sure, there are violent exceptions here and there. But as a percentage of all the tens of millions of pro-lifers in the country they’re utterly negligible. They don’t even rise to the level of statistical significance. Why is that?
Far as I can tell there’s really only one explanation that makes sense: Pro-lifers don’t really believe abortion is murder. They may think it’s bad. They may think it’s very very bad. But they don’t think it’s murder. And if they don’t think abortion is murder then that means they must think fetuses are intrinsically worth less than walking talking human beings. If that’s the case, then they have no right to force actual walking talking human beings to give up control over their own bodies to keep the fetuses alive.
How come those who think the death penalty is murder aren’t storming prisons? How come those who think the military is engaged in unjustified violence not storming bases? Is it that they are just liars when they state their opposition?
There aren’t hundreds of thousands of people being executed in the US every year; neither is the US military killing hundreds of thousands of people in the US every year.
What does “in the US” have to do with anything? You don’t think non-Americans are intrinsically worth less than walking talking Americans, do you?
If, let’s say, Code Pink were sincere in their professed beliefs about even half the shit they’ve said about the Iraq War or Israel, shouldn’t they have been storming Fort Bragg or an Israeli embassy or something? Or did they not really believe it?