Sure, but my post wasn’t directed at “most people in America”. It was directed at iiandyiiii, who likes to pretend he cares just as much about the brown non-Americans as he does about his fellow citizens, except, apparently, when it’s inconvenient for the argument he’s currently making (then it’s just “in the US”).
Probably several reasons. There are numerous practical considerations, such as the fact that prisons are built to withstand that kind of thing, but morally speaking the main reason is that capital punishment is just a much greyer issue. It’s one thing to commit violence to save innocent babies (as pro-lifers insist fetuses are). It’s quite another to do it on behalf of convicted murderers. Who in their right mind would commit murder to save the life of a serial killer?
Not in the same way. There are plenty of laws saying what we can’t do with our bodies, and few, if any, saying what we must do. Especially if, as with pregnancy, there are serious health risks involved.
What would you say about all those young men we drafted and sent to Vietnam? They were being told what they must do with their bodies, correct? There were serious health risks involved, correct?
If I’m following the slippery slope of your argument correctly, the fact that we draft people means that anything goes regarding what we as a society can force people to do regarding their bodies, up to and including grabbing people randomly off the street and removing their organs for science and sweetmeats.
The morality of a draft depends on the morality of the war being fought. Vietnam was way before my time and I honestly don’t know enough about it to say if it was a bad war or not. However, if an unambiguously bad war were launched today - like, if we invaded Polynesia to steal their coconuts or something - and if people were drafted to fight it, then I’d not only oppose the draft, but I’d support assassinating the politicians who ordered it if there was a chance it’d make it stop. And frankly, I’d question the commitment of anyone who didn’t.
Exactly - it’s very clear that most Americans, probably even the vast majority, don’t make a huge fuss about killing non Americans overseas. They should, but they don’t.
If this is really how you feel, why in the world would you constrain your response upthread about the US military to just people killed “in the US”?
Please submit your Certificate of Telepathy for inspection.
That’s not an action I’d support. I’m simply acknowledging the reality that “we as a society force people to give up control over their own bodies in myriad ways and for various reasons.” I don’t see anything particularly unique about abortion in this regard. The “it’s my body” argument doesn’t work for draftees or prison inmates, or people ticketed for violating helmet laws.
Wait, are young men still being drafted and sent to war? I thought we stopped doing that quite some time ago.
Perhaps you should read post #487
We’re not currently drafting them, but we do still require them to register with the Selective Service, you know, just in case we feel like telling them what to do with their bodies.
So Dave has the body autonomy to let his twin die without a kidney he could easily donate. His twin is a grown man with three kids, a wife and a business that employs a hundred people.
But his sister lacks the body autonomy to prevent a bundle of cells from becoming an actual person.
And that seems equatable to you? Seems horribly misogynistic to the rest of us.
If I have to forego an abortion because you think it’s murder please explain why you don’t have to forego meat when I think it’s murder?
Can pregnant women apply for Conscientious Objector status?
So what you’re saying is that you get to dictate which violations of body autonomy should be allowed, and which are a bridge too far. Based purely on your personal preference.
Correct. A neonatal is a potential baby and so a potential person. For a period of time after being disconnected from its source of sustenance it has potential but that is all.
It may appear that I’m being brutal but to make rational decisions emotion and sentiment must be set aside.
No, but they don’t have to register with the Selective Service, so it’s a moot point.
You didn’t quote anyone, but I assume this is directed at me. There are a whole lot of inconsistencies in the myriad ways and reasons we force people to give up control over their own body. For example, the aforementioned draft: why only men and not women? Is that “horribly misogynistic”?
Well, for starters, one is a human and the other is a cow / chicken. AFAIK, it’s not possible to “murder” a cow.
We’re in a republic, not a monarchy, and I’m not the monarch, so no, I don’t get to “dictate” “based purely on [my] personal preference”, but I get some small amount of input into those decisions we make as a society, just like you do. Welcome to the party, pal.