Getting Divorced... It hurts.

I met her 8 years ago and we are in the process of getting divorced. It makes me feel conflicted… like I am making a mistake and hurting people who love me. I also feel like I am making the right long term decision. It tears me apart.

We don’t have children. In some ways, I look at us as a glorified BF/GF relationship in the way that we behaved but we always called each other husband and wife. It makes the separation weighty to me. Like it is a major thing.

We only knew each other 6 months before we got married. She wanted to live in America and we married because we really liked each other and she wanted to get a green card. We met at a strip club where she was working over the summer. She made me feel like a really lucky person - luckiest guy in the world. She has a way about here that is very caring and thoughtful.

The reason I left my wife is that I discovered through some text messages that she was stripping at a strip club while I was out of town on business 6 years into our marriage. I discovered this, confided what had happened to a woman outside of the relationship and had an affair. The thing with the new woman was not a simmering old flame or even an old friendship. We were acquaintances from years back and I initiated the contact. I am now staying with the other woman, 1000 miles from my wife.

I am deeply conflicted at this point.

Building a relationship takes a lot of time and understanding and to throw away all those moments where we argued and made something stronger feels like I am taking away part of my heart. Being with her made me feel like I knew what it meant to be loved unconditionally. I think it is in her nature to love everyone unconditionally - it is something wonderful about her.

From the beginning of the marriage to my wife, I had a deep desire to erase her past and help her succeed. I was probably arrogant. I probably still am. I wanted to take her away from the strip club because though I met her there when she was single, I didn’t want my wife to be stripping. It creates problems for me that revolve around trust, respect, values and morals.

We come from different backgrounds. She is from Eastern Europe, was raised poor, her father was not there and her mother was an alcoholic. I am from America, had upper middle class parents, my father divorced my mother when I was 4 and my mother raised me though I am still close with my father. I didn’t think any of this mattered when we married.

Though I left my wife over the realization that she had been secretly dancing at clubs. The secret life as a dancer really was the straw that broke the camels back on a few other issues that really weren’t that bad on their own but crescendoed into the decision to leave.

When we fell in love, there was a language barrier. It was hard to understand her but I found figuring out what she was saying to be exciting - I cared what she thought. After we married, I hired a tutor to help her. She didn’t really stick with the tutor. Overtime she got better but I began to see that there was a difference in our intelligence levels and that she wasn’t really interested in learning things. I have a desire to constantly learn and it wasn’t in her but that was ok.

She also had a tendency to attract people into our marriage that I really didn’t like to hang out with - her friends. At first they were strippers but we moved and started over. Then her friends were often from her country but living in the United States and when they were over they would very often speak their language - a language I could not understand. I had a very hard time relating to them because they had different values than me.

I told her I felt that the people we were hanging out with were involved with crime in some way but my wife would brush off my concerns and continue to spend time with the friends. It later came out in the paper that the husband of the best friend she made was indeed involved in a crime ring. He is going to court later this year. I think pretty lowly of these people she brought around. They believed things that kind of scared me.

The great thing about my wife is how caring and wonderful she is to all people. She has a genuine, sincere interest in people. In return, she wants attention and she wants to be appreciated. As the years went on, I came to cherish how gifted she was in this area. I also came to see that her ability to connect with people did not have any value based / moral judgements attached to it. Anything a person did in their life was ok with her. There is something about my wife that is a little to willfully ignorant and accepting in areas where a value judgment needs to be made.

There were other friends from her home country who were more professional with college degrees but she didn’t make lasting friendships with those kinds of people. I feel maybe she threatened by college educated, alpha females. Or maybe college educated alpha females were threatened by her. Whatever the case, there weren’t many intelligent girlfriends coming over and conversations were lacking. Sometimes I felt alone in a room full of people.

One thing my wife did get the attention of was alpha males. She desires the attention of these kinds of men and she says she never strayed on me. It is only natural for a beautiful woman to want to be noticed so it never really bothered me until the end of the relationship when I found out about the dancing when I wasn’t around.

The dancing when I wasn’t home and the ability to keep the secret for 2 years made me wonder what other kind of secrets she was keeping from me. It made me doubt us. It made me resent paying bills and buying vacations for us. It made me feel like maybe I was just a big sucker - that the woman I married was really operating on an individual basis.

Over time she became more professional. She got a real estate license and started doing rentals in the city. She got away from the club because I think she realized she was getting too old for that place. I accepted a lot from her but in the end I walked away and into the arms of another woman I can’t say I really know.

When I look at what we had as a package I see a person I love but I am conflicted because this experience makes me believe that loving someone isn’t enough to make a marriage work. You need trust, respect, aligned values and two moral compasses pointing in the same direction.

When you don’t have value and moral compasses pointed in the same direction, you constantly butt heads on issues through the maturation of the relationship. One day a deeply held value is crossed and it hurts the trust and respect. From there you have to ask yourself-

Do you rebuild the trust and respect from here knowing that the person you are compromising with has a different background / value system / moral compass than you? It is real work.

Do you say thank you for the wonderful memories but I need to make a change in my life? It is real work.

If anyone read this far - thank you and if you respond, please know I will take what you say to heart.

Your post reminded me of the book Rabbit Run for some reason and that isn’t a good thing for real life scenarios. I personally don’t think it matters that you cheated in the overall scheme of things at this point. You obviously were not matched well with your ex-wife (it isn’t her fault either; Eastern European strippers generally don’t make great wife material and you should have known that).

There is no possible way that you wouldn’t have gotten a divorce anyway that I can see so just try to keep it as amicable as possible and don’t do anything equally foolish in your new relationship if you decide to stay in it. However, keep in mind that moving in with the person you had an affair with while married is about on par with the wisdom of your original marriage so you may want to really think things through before you find yourself down two strikes before you even realize what happened. Remember that you there is no law that you have to be married in a set amount of time or even need to be in a serious relationship until you have learned from past mistakes and know how to address them better the next time.

Um, you two make a truly awful couple. You don’t even respect her. Move on.

She was working on the side as a stripper for years? she was probably planning on leaving you anyways.

Marrying an Eastern European stripper that wants a green card is usually the ‘stay away from the rocks’ signal for most people but that ship has already capsized and it is time to learn to do better the next time if there is one.

BTW, I have and am still divorced. The process itself sucks but I could not be more thrilled with the outcome after some time passed. My best advice is to handle yourself as well as possible, don’t jump into anything and figure out what you really want (not just whatever is handed to you at the moment). I have kids so it has been harder in some ways but I firmly believe that divorce or even being single again for a while can be extremely positive after the initial shock has worn off and that can take a while. I like it so much that I am never getting married again but YMMV.

[INDENT]I love being divorced. Every year has been better than the last. That is the only time I can say that [about my life]. By the way, I’m not saying don’t get married. If you meet someone, fall in love, and get married. Then get divorced. Get divorced! Because that’s the best part! It’s the best part! Marriage is just like a larvae stage for true happiness, which is divorce. Divorce is forever, it really actually is. Marriage is for how long you can hack it. But divorce just gets stronger, like a piece of oak. No one ever says, “Oh my divorce is falling apart. I just can’t take it.”[/INDENT]
[RIGHT]– Louis C.K.[/RIGHT]

Stranger

Ask yourself, “What would Ayn Rand do?”

Never marry someone that you don’t fully accept them as they are right then.

Sounds like you are a bit of a hypocrite yourself. I’m assuming that you met your wife as a patron at the strip club, not there witnessing to the strippers.

Most strippers I’ve met work at clubs to make money, not to meet guys. Have you discussed her motivation for going back?

WRT to your new relationship, so you moved 1,000 miles away to be with her? Sounds like you need to really evaluate who you are and what you want out of life. You owe that to any future partner you may have. There’s nothing worse than being in a relationship with someone who has no clue what type of person they are or wants to be.

Who is being hurt?

Who don’t love “a stripper with a heart of gold” story. It’s so Trading Places.

I see some of my own past mistakes in your story. I fell into situations, rather than using a considered approach to my life. I didn’t make decisions; I went with the flow, falling in love, swimming through drama and feeling like a fish out of water much of the time. It felt like a adventure at the time, but in reality, it meant I was only reacting to situations I found myself in. Many times I put all my energy into extricating myself only to be in the same predicament again. I didn’t have a plan for what I wanted my life to be or a map for how to achieve it. More often than not my moral compass spun wildly, yet I continually found myself looking at the people around me, wondering how I ended up where I was.

My advice to you would be to begin by determing what your values are. Decide which of those values should be reflected in the life decisions you make. Irrespective of the fine and charming qualities other people exhibit, if their values are not consistent with yours, they can be your friends, but will be unfulfilling as a life partner.

It seems many of us don’t readily know what our values are. There are lists online. Find one and go through it, picking out 5 that resonate with you. Let those help guide the decisions you make for yourself. Explore them with the next person you get serious about. It makes an unbelievable difference in my life and it may in yours too.

Treat your ex with respect and dignity as you go through the divorce. You seem like a good guy - I wish you the best.

That’s quite a story for your first post. Guess you were saving it all up for when you found the perfect message board, eh? We’re not quite perfect though, just 99.999%! J/k LOL :):D;)

It’s a widely held opinion on the intrawebs that we’re excellent listeners.

We discussed her motivation for going back and she said it was because she was getting older. She said this but I feel she just likes the attention from men. I feel that she finds being objectified as something that is in line with her value system. My value system believes that a woman should aim for something more than that, ideally (and it is hard to find this ideal when a woman is looking for a man just like when a man is looking for a woman) a woman she be stunningly attractive and intelligent in some way though by no means does she need have a degree. Some of the smartest people you can meet will have no degrees.

I moved 1000 miles back home. She now lives in a city 1000 miles from where we met because we both moved out there some years ago. I really just came home.

The people I am hurting are my wife and some of our family members who thought we were a lovely couple. It makes me feel guilty for breaking the illusion but I didn’t want to live the way I was living. I haven’t told any of my family members about the real reason because I don’t want to drag her name or what we had through the mud. I’m not doing that. It was better when I was ignorant those years but when it came out, I changed. I realized we were running different races and I lost the motivation to work with her on our relationship. I came to the conclusion that I should just go back home (1000 miles away), work on business and start over a little older and wiser. At the same time, I will support her for a few years to help her with the transition as well. The whole thing takes a long time.

But you objectified her first. Then married her.

On objectifying her - I was raised by my mom and an older sister and it made me see women as individuals. She was comfortable objectifying herself as part of her value system but it was my goal to show her that she was more than something to be objectified. When I first saw my wife, I thought she was amazing but I was not a regular customer. I talked to her 3 days before she left the USA as summer was over and she had to fly home because her visa was expiring. I was smitten with her personality and immediately began working to see her again. Once we got serious I worked to get her away from objectifying herself but that is something she liked so dearly (coupled with the attention from men) that she kept doing it and hid it from me. The whole objectification thing done by both men and women brings up issues of trust, respect, values and morals. If I were a woman, I’m not sure I would want to be with a man that was objectifying women - it would make me think he would have no problem cheating on me.

I’m curious, if you are so interested in learning, why didn’t you learn her language? You then could have communicated with her friends as well.

Sometimes, the thought of losing all the time you have invested in someone, is worse than actually losing the person. Starting all over with someone new, can seem like an awful lot of work.

I hope things get better for you.

I stopped reading at “green card”.

You weren’t married. You were partners in crime.