What’s untrue? The majority of Americans don’t want the legislation to pass. Cites have already been provided. Try reading them.
Goddammit. This is what bipartisanship gets you – a chance for Fox News to poison the well and turn reasoned debate into a freak show.
Fuck it, Barack. Ram the bill you want through Congress with 50% + 1 vote. Which would you rather hear from Fox & Rush and their ilk for the next 3 years: a temper tantrum? Or them smirking about how they saved the nation from your “socialist tyranny” and knowing that you caved?
I don’t remember my family ever asking your family for a goddamned red dime. I do remember paying through the nose for your holy war, though.
Of allbthe idiotic shit you’ve said on this board, this one takes the fucking turd cake. You think I specifically intend to mass murder poor people. This shows the level of thinking you are capable of operating on, and frankly I’m surprised you keep remembering to breathe.
You beat me to it, and you worded it better than I would have. So I’ll just say I agree.
First, it’s not at all clear that this is the case:
the majority still support Obama on HC:
Second, even if it was, all it would prove is that lying works, as 'luci has pithily pointed out.
Third, who is the “we” that “ours” refers to? You seem to have constructed a bizarre idea of America, where anyone who disagrees with conservatives are not only the minority, they don’t even count as Americans. Not that this new for the right, or anything.
Christ you people are fucking morons.
I want some of what you’re smoking. Your own link says that only 43% of Americans approve of his handling of health care policy. How is that a majority, let alone an overwhelming one, as in your original claim?
I am secretly pleased with this turn of events. After all, the rest of the world needs something to feel sorry for (and therefore smugly superior to) Americans about, and now that Paula Abdul isn’t going to be on national television anymore, the lamentable state of your health care is pretty much it.
It’s just a sign of the effectiveness of the right wing misinformation machine. What you think is the smell of freedom is really the smell of greasy corporate asshole. But never mind that! Gloat about your victory while you have another yummy lick!
I’ll amend my claim then: An overwhelming majority of americans would support it if they weren’t having smoke blown up their ass.
In the UK, even the conservative party backs the National Healthcare Service “100%”. If socialized medicine is so horrible, why is there virtually no opposition to it amongst those who have actually experienced it? How do you explain that?
Serious question.
I’ve read that most of the actual cost saving reforms were removed from the bill by lobbying interests - Pelosi and friends giving pork and concessions left and right.
Now if the public option is removed, what exactly is there to the reform? What will be in the bill? It seems that all that’s left in a special interests giveaway.
Okay, I admit to being wrong on this point. The cite indicates that support has not fallen as dramatically as the Rasmussen poll suggests, although it is <50%.
But I still stand by everything else.
Pretty much. No public option, although had been gutted even earlier by an agreement not to allow the government to bargain for prices with drug companies. End of life consultations are out. It’s been watered down to nothing.
Thank you for at least being honest. But I don’t get your knock on the Rasmussen poll. They said only 42% approve, Gallup has it at 43%. I’m sure that’s within the margin of error for any poll.
Incidentally, I wish there were more people who could express the anti-government-but-not-a-dick viewpoint on the SDMB. I’m generally of the persuasion that government does more harm than good, and I want its power severely reduced - but I do it with the intent that society will be better off that way in total.
Some of the posters on here, though, seem to do it out of malice. I get the impression that they touch themselves to the idea of people being killed by some treatable disease because they just weren’t as smart and as good as them to have good health insurance plans from companies that didn’t screw them over.
Edit: I mean, for fucks sake, if you make Der Trihs look right, you should go through some serious introspection.
Rasmussen? You might as well cite World Net Daily. Or Fox News.
Or Gallup, which has virtually the same results. Dickweed.
But if people disagree with me, they must be misled! By liars!
Not necessarily. Of course, if you they do it really openly, right before your eyes, its a pretty good guess.