If the scum manage to wake up a sleeper, the other sleeper becomes the Town doc. It looks like they may be able to self-protect but I doubt they’d be rushing to declare their conversion.
A possibly intentional side-effect of the sleeper role is that we shouldn’t have any unforced VT claims or, at least, it would now be anti-town to do so. An honest VT claim would increase the scum’s chances of waking a sleeper.
Why? I thought that sleepers don’t know they’re sleepers until they’re awakened. Wouldn’t they, for all intents and purposes, believe themselves to be honest vanilla townsfolk until that point?
This also means that someone who claims to have received a recruitment message during the night is either (a) lying or (b) essentially a confirmed townsperson, unless I’m missing something. Seems like valuable information for town to have.
NETA: Whoops, I am missing something. I guess they could be the mad bomber as well.
Can the Town Jailer jail himself/herself?
I missed the Doc thing. That changes my idea somewhat.
I agree that in this game, unprovoked claims are all sorts of bad. Can we all agree to no claims unless we’re on the block?
You have to pm your questions to Red.
Thinking about it a bit more, this seems like a bad idea on Day 1; later, perhaps. Note that the town Vigilante can test the claim of a self-jailing jailer.
The serial killer role certainly throws some doubt into the traditional rule of thumb for a detective claim (which is what 3 (living) town or 1 scum?); once the detective is out in the open, (s)he’s almost certainly dead in 2 nights (one night for the bomber to tag him/her, one night for the bomber to set off his/her bombs), unless the jailer keeps him/her locked up which kind of defeats the purpose.
Since the town jailer prevents their target from performing any actions, the town jailer would of course prevent him or herself from protecting him or herself from being the target of any other actions.
That sentence was like the literary version of looking into a full-length mirror with another one behind you.
Basically, if they jail themselves, they…cancel all their powers and essentially do nothing. I think that’s right, anyway.
Basically, no invulnerable self-jailing jailer. Too bad.
However, scum could either (a) choose not to send a message and lie about having received one or (b) lie about having received a message if their recruitment target is vig’d or jailed. So, you know, there might or might not be poison in the wine in front of me.
Right, but if someone claims to have received one, we know that they’re either lying or not scum. It’s not dispositive by any means given the WIFOM you identify, but it’s still a helpful data point.
Right now, we know that pretty much everyone in the game is either lying or not scum.
I still think that people should claim an attempted recruitment attempt, mind you.
They would believe themselves to be honest vanilla townsfolk, but if they reveal that info, then scum would know that they are in the pool of players to try to awaken.
I agree with this early in the game. As players gather information later in the game, it might be worth it in some cases to reveal themselves in order to provide that info to the town.
I think the detective usually has a pretty short shelf-life of usefulness once they claim anyway. And they would want to claim what they know before they get night-killed. So I think the rule of thumb you state is a pretty good starting point, even in this game, but they should take the overall state of the game into account.
I agree that players should claim if they have been targeted for awakening.
So it seems like the consensus is that you should claim if you are targeted for recruitment but otherwise keep quiet about any special roles for now. Does anyone disagree with that?
It make sense to me - as others have mentioned recruitment claims might give information useful to the town later on, whether or not they are true.
It seems dangerous and useless for scum to falsely claim a recruitment attempt anyway - wouldn’t it just be an easy way for a scum player to get caught lying?
I generally dislike if this then that planning at this stage. If the scum hit a sleeper, then the newly awakened townie should use their judgment and claim/not claim based on the situation at the time!
Sure. I can’t currently think of a situation wherein I would not come forward myself, but to each their own.