Sorry, that won’t work. Or have you not noticed that smoke particles have a nasty habit of latching onto things like clothing and hair?
:rolleyes: Wow, you’ve certainly convinced me. How could I have ever thought you were top-full of shit? I will immediately begin building a shrine to your wisdom and omnipotence.
cmodes,
i’m sure you’re a fabulous lawyer…do i get my quarter now? 
Ahem…excuse me for a moment! After wading thru this thread from beginning to end, I gotta wipe that nicotine (at least that’s what I think it is) off my shoes!
I just wanted to make a comment pertaining to the original complaint about someone smoking on the terrace. Smoking on terraces, especially in multi-story buildings, should be against the law for very different reasons! I’ve heard of buildings in my own town having caught on fire and which resulted in some deaths due to someone, who after smoking on a 5th story terrace, casually flicked his butt over the railing! Apparently, it was quite windy that day, and the wind blew the still lighted butt back onto another terrace a couple of stories down. The butt apparently landed on a blanket someone had left on his terrace.
And get this…if you are a college student living in a dorm in this country, you may or may NOT have fire-sprinklers installed! It’s up to the discretion of the college to install them or not. At least, that is how it is here in Mass.
Sure looked like a debate to me. Sure looked like you were arguing whether it was right or not for people to smoke in doorways. But again, just supposition on my part. mea culpa.
Fair enough. I hope you feel better.
You were minding your own business? Making statements like “if you can’t prove it wrong, it must be right”. In the pit no less. You opened the can of worms, and were called on it. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the pit BBQ Pit, I might add. As in your ass was flamed. oh wait, that’s right. No comments on your appearence because you don’t want people to notice you. So much so you post pictures of yourself.
And with as much coherency as a 4 year old.
I can only imagine that when you say you pointed out we were agreeing you are referring to your ‘tomato tamato’ comment. Well, go back and check. TWICE prior to that I said we were on the same side. Learn to read. Better yet, learn to comprehend.
I asked about banning in all areas, not just smoking. You have ignored that several times now. Feel free to continue that.
You will never, ever believe me, but you really do have my condolences on your loss. For all you know, I’ve lost SEVERAL very close people to ways very similar. But maybe, just maybe, we face it differently. Doesn’t mean it didn’t hurt me any less than you, what it does mean is that I don’t blame others.
too late
With sunshine on my shoulder.
Feel better? Oh good.
Can we be friends now?
lezlers Nice guess, but no. The professions are compared in my circles, however.
spazcat marble is good, gold is to audacious. I know the argument was weak, but to be honest, for a pit argument, I had little desire to do a full periodical review of airbore particles. I would think the suppositions would stand without a gov’t research grant to determine ppm. If it didn’t meet your requirements, fine. I suppose that when someone tells you the it is warm outside you need a full certified report from the weather bureau.
Actually all I require in that case is a look out the window and maybe a second to touch the screen to check the temperature. I spend all day at my job discerning last-minute-maybe-this-will-get-by bullshit from actual facts though and I can tell the difference between the two. Perhaps if your suppositions had some corroborating evidence I’d be more inclined to believe you.
SkyKing, the dorms are like that where I live. The fraternity and sorority houses are required by law to have sprinkler systems, but not the state-owned dormitories. How’s that for justice?
SpazCat I gotta admit, those suppositions could be pretty weak, but I didn’t think they were THAT weak. YMMV. What seems pretty solid to some could seem pretty weak to others. I agree, I should have put up facts instead of suppositions had I really wanted to force that portion of the debate. But given the fact I thought it wasn’t too outrageous a supposition and the fact this is a pit debate, I had no such desires. Thanks for calling me on it, though.
Jesus Christ, I feel like I’m in a Monty Python sketch. “We’re having an argument!” “No we’re not!” “Yes we are!”
Next cmosdes is going to try to convince me that my grandmother isn’t actually dead, she’s just resting her eyes.
Ok cmosdes you win. I agree with all your arguments. You were right from the beginning, and honestly, I really AM a fucking liberal. I have a membership card and everything - they gave it to me after all my volunteer hours with the Cancer Society, actually. I hope when I grow up I can be as smart as you. Maybe, if I study really, really hard, I could be a lawyer too. And maybe, just maybe, if I’m good, and I keep my fingers crossed I will be as good a debater as you are. Heck - you can have a debate by yourself, your so skilled. So please, continue.
Alice, I can’t for the life of me figure out where your posts come from. I agreed that I miscontrued this as an argument/debate,a nd I get told I’m still arguing. Earlier, you said your views are your business, but you put them on the INTERNET. Wow, talk about a private person. And just how private? You share the intimate details, humiliating details, of how her grandmother died. How do you think your grandma would feel if she read in a place for all the world to see the worst details of her disease?
If I were your grandma, I’d certainly pretend to be resting every time you came around. Hell, I’d go through all that other shit just to get away from you. Who wants a granddaughter that wears the pain and suffering of a grandparent as a martyr badge and expects the world to feel sorry for her.
Wow! Baseless attacks on the net are fun! Thanks for showing me such things. Maybe, just maybe, when I grow up I can be like you, too! Of course, I’ll be friendless, too, just like you, because I’d be inclined to share their lives with everyone on the net, and call it being a private person. Just how many cats do you own? I’m guessing at least 3.
cmosdes I know that you think you’re demonstrating your superior debating skills. Perhaps you are.
I also know you think I’m wingy. In fact, I AM wingy. For some people, that is half my charm, and I make no apology for it.
But I have to say, even the most seasoned pit denizen is gonna concede that when a person talks about there recently dead grandma and how upsetting it was, attacking that person, stating that the death was granny’s own fault, and going on to say that person was somehow trying to benefit from that death is a pretty tacky thing to do.
Classless, I would say.
Heck, I would go so far as to say it was the hallmark of a Jerk.
And incidentally, what exactly do you have against cat owners? I myself do not have any, due to my allergies (I have bunnies);however, I do know there are other cat owners on the site - did you something to say to them?
Alice - It must be great to be the knower of all things. I mean, you know what I’m thinking and my motivations! Wow! Can you tell what I’m thinking now? I knew you could.
But not only do you know what I’m thinking, you know what everyone else is thinking: “even most seasoned pit denizen…”. Or were you just elected spokesman for the entire pit? I hadn’t heard. I’m sure everyone else here appreciates you speaking for them.
So let’s recap a little. Earlier, according to you, I stongly suggested it was your grandma’s fault. Now, it is stating. Bravo, Alice, you have a knack for warping things to your own benefit.
And while I’m at it, whose fault is it?? Did someone put a gun to her head and force her to smoke? Hmm? Fucking liberal. “Waa, it isn’t my fault! I put the bullet in the gun, put the gun in my mouth, pulled the trigger and it hurt me! Where is the gov’t to help me! Waa! Waa! Waa!”
This is the pit, honey bunny. As I said earlier, you rolled out that story as a neat little badge of martyrdom. I nearly fell off my seat laughing with your last line from that post, “Now, what was the point you were trying to make?” You CLEARLY were saying is that your sad story trumps all other arguments. The mark of a martyr, and you play it oh so well.
I said nothing about cat owners. But you do get great marks for again twisting things around. Wonderful, wonderful performance. Truly, I’m humbled by your knack to do this.
Let’s review, class, okay? “If p then q does NOT mean you can then say if q then p.” For example, “If billy lives in Seattle, he lives in Washington” does not mean you can say “If billy lives in Washington he lives in Seattle.” I’m going slow here for you, Alice. Try to keep up, okay? But you probably stopped reading when I got to the really big words like “martyr”. If I say, “Alice is a friendless, witless, martyr who will end up owning lots of cats” does not mean “people who own lots of cats are friendless, witless martyrs.”
True, in your case you don’t have cats. But you said yourself you would if you didn’t have allergies. I hope I get extra credit for knowing that.
Wow. You really are a jerk.
Please, continue…
Good Lord, this turned nasty…
Standing applause for that one! Encore! Encore! I love the way you make personal attacks instead of talking about the points.
Wonderful, wonderful stuff. No wonder you are alone! (Wow, this is fun AND easy!).
I’m out. Have fun, and I’m sure I’ll see you around the boards.
That’s applause? Sounds more like crickets chriping.
cmosdes, something occurred to me while I was driving to my office.
Why exactly have you chosen ME to demonstrate your fabulous debating skills on?
I’m not really much of a debater, nor do I profess to be. In fact, a brief search of my posting record will reveal mostly threads about my bunnies and nudity. I wasn’t even trying to start a debate when I posted here - I just really hate smoking.
I think, when considering my board “persona”, most of my fellow posters would not really describe me as a “debater”. “Fun” perhaps. “Wingy” probably. And yes, probably “liberal” - I’m still not sure why you think that’s an insult.
So, to my question. Why me? Because I’m an easy target - which clearly I am? I’m about as useful at debate as a one-legged man is at an ass-kicking contest. Are you scared to go over to Great Debates and take on tomndebb or Scyla or December or Sua Sponte or zev steinhardt? They’re all quite seasoned debaters - much more skilled than me - or is that the problem? You’re afraid that you won’t be able to match them? You thought you’d start out with an easy target?
I have to give you a tip though - I know that when your a newby, there’s a tendency to jump right in and try to prove your skills - but, if you want to prove how fabulous your arguments are, I’m probably not the poster to do it on.
Really, I’m interested in you motivation. Do I remind you of an ex that laughed at your willy or something?
Do tell.
alice - I started the personal attacks by calling you a fucking liberal. I furthered them with other baseless comments that I probably shouldn’t have made. I’m sorry about that. You have called me lots of things, including now trying to insult my willy. Obviously you like to argue as much as I do.
I didn’t come here to pick on you. I had no intention of picking a fight with anyone, let alone someone I was agreeing with. But you know what? Even people I agree with can have baseless arguments when they use really ugly ‘logic’ like what got me started on this. I tried to point out the flaw in that logic and it spiraled from there.
I had nothing to prove, and nothing was I scared about. My initial point was rather clear, I thought (I was wrong), and never intended to argue that Canadian breath is associated with death. It was a satire of your argument, not intended to get me into all this.
I sincerely hope that answers your question about motivation. If it doesn’t, I’ll try to clarify if I can.
So, you can make all the claims you want about my motivation and thoughts and even psychological scars from previous sexual encounters. The truth is, I don’t care. I honestly think it makes you look desparate. I’d rather not keep this going in that vein. Rather, I’d like to say I should have been more clear that I disagreed with your ‘logic’ earlier, and if things still went on from there, I shouldn’t have started name calling.
I started it, and I’ll let you finish it.
I’ve been mostly lurking on this thread for a while, and I have to add my 2 cents.
cmodes - you’d have to have been a complete dolt to not know that you’d be crossing the line by suggesting (nay, even lightly hinting) that alice’s grandma was “to blame” for her suffering, or that she somehow brought it upon herself. It’s just TOTALLY the wrong time to say that. No good would come of it, and as you can see, no good did come of it. You don’t say that to someone who is grieving over their dear grandma, who suffered way, way TOO much.
Alice is feeling a great deal of emotion, as would any of us if we were in her situation, about the death of her grandma. You should have just left it alone. Don’t go there, buddy.
If I were you, I’d apologize for that, and then go find someone to spar with in GD. And always, always remember to leave peoples’ dead loved ones out of the debate.
yosemitebabe That thud you heard was my jaw hitting the floor. I did offer an olive branch by saying I should not have started the name calling and let it spiral from there. But what really got me was the sage advice of leaving loved ones out of debates being directed at me.
I had more to write, but I deleted it.
Right or wrong, there comes a time to just walk away. My time seems to have come. If asked, I’ll explain whatever alice or you or anyone else would like explained. No, I won’t apologize for what I said about her grandma, and explaining why will probably just get me deeper into it.
I hope this, as with my previos post, can be seen as a way to make nice. Sincerely. If I’m still a jerk, I’m still jerk and I can live with that. But I hope not.