Dalovindj-I agree, it also doesn’t mean that there isn’t a perfectly valid opinion that is opposit to his opinion.
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Yeah. If so, it rules him out as the literal Christian god, who loves everybody. Either way, I doubt any god could hate me. I got the funk, and that’s universal currency, baby.
The point is, just because an entity has the power to create advanced systems, and tells everyone in those systems that he is right and should be worshiped and loved as the ultimate thing that could ever be, doesn’t mean he is correct. Other possibillities include that he could be lying or mistaken.
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That’s what I’m getting at. Just because a powerful entity communicated with humans and said he was perfect love and the only one true god does not put him or his actions above judgement. This god may feel this way about itself, but in the end, it could just be a real sombitch who wants eveyone to believe he is nice and good.
Who are we to question this god? We are humans, and hear us roar. We have suffered, shed blood, died, and fought our way throgh what was a pretty unforgiving wilderness. We’ve earned the right to an opinion. The best of us will ask the hardest questions and look for the truth no matter what any powerful being may or may not have said. Even if he exists, he aint made a very strong case for himself. Blind faith is foolish. Question everything and let convictions be the end of knowledge and not the beginning.
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Um… dalovindj?
That last paragraph was a thing of beauty.
Dalovin’ DJ- So what do you do when you die and you meet this malevolent God? Do you just bow down anyway, or do you stand up, tell him to shove off and accept an express train to hell?
Maybe God wasn’t the winner.
I’ve often wondered (assuming that God exists) if what really happens is that God (the good guy) lost. What has Satan actually done that is bad? If you believe the Bible, God did all sorts of nasties. Sure, the propaganda is that you suffer torment in hell, but if Satan rules hell, why would he torture his buds?
I know, God is supposed to love me, but then Uncle Joe Stalin was supposed to love his people too.
Voyager-Well if you think entropy will eventually take the universe into choas and ruin, then a case might be made that Satan actually wins. I mean, doesn’t Satan represent that?
If a rapist holds a gun to a woman’s head and tells her he’ll kill her if she don’t let him have his way, what should she do? Similar dillemma. In both cases the one forcing the decision is a real evil bastard.
So if I really feel that this entity will set me on an infinite torture cycle unless I bow, I’d love to make the noble stand, but being such a fan of physical pleasure, I’d probably smile and nod, bow and sing, and walk into heaven. Fight the battles you can win and all. Then I’d secretly long for the day when some other entity can finally take down this evil torturing son of a whore and his sadistic ways. Probably take some sort of metaphysical nukes or something. I wonder if Satan has to let arms inspectors into hell. . . .
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Dalovingdj-Yes, I think I’m inclined to do the same. Fix the evil dude some cheese wizz and crackers while he burns the planet.
Thanks. It was mostly original with the exception of the last line which was inspired by the guys over at COV. Go check em out. From their lists of the three senseless sins:
Poetry, really.
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I really never heard about how the war between God and Satan started. After learning about heaven and hell I couldn’t decide which one did it’s job better. So does anyone mind telling me about God and Satan?
I never really understood the whole war between God and Satan thing. And after learning about heaven and hell, I can’t decide which one does the job better. So can anyone explain the war to me?
That one is going to be my signature line. Properly attributed to the author, of course.
Cool. I’m honored. I think that’s a first for me (someone using my words here as a sig). That’s gotta be worrth a couple clique points. Golden Hampster Triple Secret Turqoise Clique Club: Here I come . . .
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Scuse me but what doesn OP stand for? Fraid I don’t know all the computer shorthand.
Check out Revelation 12:7-9. Also Isaiah 14:12-15. Satan is a created being, an angel. God created the angels and us with free will to choos as He didn’t want robots. Satan (Lucifer) saw how beautiful he was and pride entered into him. He decided He wanted to be God. He was kicked out of heaven and some of the angels went with him. He is in no way equal to God.
Or so this absentee entity would have us believe. His proof? None. He thinks he should burn us if we require proof.
Didn’t I hear somewhere (here, I think) that if you make it through the whole church of scientology program, they reveal that they worship Lucifer, claiming him as the true god, and this “God” character who wrote/inspired the text referred to as “The Bible” (worshiped blindly by so many with little regard for the value of evidence) is really the evil one. He came down to Earth to spread propaganda about himself and turn us against the the one we should be worshiping.
Now, I think Scientologists are just as foolish as Christians if they think any of this is more than mythology, legend, and misinformation (although I am willing to consider any physical, reproduceable evidence/experiments that proponents of such weak theories may come up with). My point is that just cause one side says something don’t make it so. Humans use their power to lie and gain more power quite often. It’s called propaganda. It has proven to be fairly effective. If Satan/God (or any other gods) refuse to be more clear and forthcoming, then I will not assume they exist until I see something far more convincing. Even if, for the sake of argument, I consider “The Bible” to be written by a powerful being, I have no way of knowing whether he is telling the truth. His failure to appear and the content of his supposed writings make him highly suspect in my book. Matter of fact, he seems more worthy of disdain than worship.
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Another book that addresses this is Anne Rice’s vampire novel MEMNOCK THE DEVIL, in my opinion the best work of a wildly uneven author. Memnock is an angel who pitied humanity because they evolved enough to understand and fear death but were impotent to do anything about it. Memnock becomes more of a daimon, a go-between twixt man and God, and becomes vilified in the process.
In the most memorable part of the book, Memnock takes Lestat to ancient Israel and shows him Jesus, who in this book is God in mortal form. Essentially, God has plugged himself into an existing myth in order to understand humans, but as Bertrand Russell pointed out he can’t really understand since he knows that he will ultimately survive death.
Then there was the special “Satan is really an okay dude” episode of BLOSSOM.
Alos interesting is the inherrrant sexual contradiction in the “Bible”. “God” is a “he” (masculine), but he is the only one god. Huh? Isn’t sex a part of reproduction? If something is a he, does that not imply that there is a she, and that combined they are able to reproduce? Otherwise it would be an “it”. I imagine a whole species (of whatever this entity is) reproducing with others of it’s kind. One swears he is more powerful than all the others. Like the Joe Nameth of his species. For all I know, there are millions of these things, and we just got a selfish (and damn cruel) one interacting with us.
Or, for example, what if it’s something along the lines of the plot line of Stargate? Powerful aliens influencing human affairs for whatever reasons they see fit. The point is, there is no way to tell, and blind faith in the absence of good data will end up making you look like a fool. This is my theory, anyhow. I may be wrong, naturally, but I’ll keep looking for answers until I find out or die. I won’t claim to know for sure the answers to these, our greatest questions, until I have them. This is a type of humility many of the religious folk of the world lack.
Also, “Memnoch the Devil” was cool as hell. heh heh. Get it? Cool as . . .
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