Sometimes the system works. Think the guy got life in prison on one charge, and 20 years on another charge, and the Judge ordered the sentences to be served consecutively. He’ll die in prison. That’s a kinder fate than he’d get if it was up to me, but good enough, and does not violate the 8th Amendment, as my choice of punishment surely would. Think he’s got another trial in Utah as well.
In “Under the Banner of Heaven” Jon Krakuer uses the violent murder of a woman and her child by two FLDS brothers to explore the history of Mormon polygamy It’s well worth the read if you want to try and get a grasp on how tightly controlled the FLDS communities are.
The have to get rid of the “excess” men in order to keep that minimum 3 wives to 1 man they hold to, and actually even more than that so the patriarchs can have their harems.
While I find their practice of driving the boys away from the community and simply abandoning them like unwanted puppies along a highway they could be doing worse to them in the effect to “dispose” of unwanted boys.
Yep. And in the event that this wretched clan is permitted to continue existing (provided they cool it with the marrying of underage girls), that practice doesn’t look like ending any time soon. :mad:
What, you mean like drowning them like unwanted kittens? Yeah, I agree that would be worse.
I don’t find the prospect very plausible, though, not even with shitstains like these.
There have been rumors of unpunished murders in those communities for years - we don’t know if there’s another subset of boys who are being killed rather than abandoned. All the community at large knows is that those boys are gone. All the boys abandoned know what happened to them. How many are unaccounted for, though? Does anyone know? If they were murdering some of the boys would anyone know, or just assume, since they’ve vanished, they were abandoned along the road like the ones we do know about?
Well okay, but if dispossession and abandonment have been working for them (and to the best of my knowledge they have), ISTM that choosing murder over those options in some cases would tend to needlessly complicate their operation.
I won’t say that they’re not more shitstainey if they are murderers, but I will say that they’re not less shitstainey if they aren’t…
On the other hand, how many of those abandoned boys end up speaking out about the fucked up shit that goes on inside that community? If there’s a tendency (or even a perceived tendency) for expelled members to bad mouth the church in public (or to the authorities), that might be impetus enough for them to “disappear” a bit more permanently.
Creepy audio clips where Warren Jeffs instructs his young wives in various ways. It sounds like someone is crying in the audio where he instructs them to be loyal to him. I think it was reported there were 3 wives present in that clip.
Does this guy still have followers? I can’t imagine that anyone any conscience would still believe this guy was a prophet of any kind after learning about those tapes.
Yes, this guy most certainly does still have followers and they still think he’s the mouthpiece of god or whatever they call it. Many think he’s right and that their way is the proper way to live and there’s nothing wrong with old men marrying 12 year olds. In many instances, it’s the only way of life they’ve ever known.
No, those ‘that are right with god’ get more wives (celestial, they’re called) really they’re used as a reward/punishment system. If a guy steps out of line they’ll take wives from one member, breaking up families, and donate them to a church member more deserving.
It’s all fucking sick.
I saw a documentary out about the ‘lost boys’ awhile back but my google-fu isn’t strong enough right now to come up with anything other than that 80’s vamp-camp corey vehicle.