Leader of off-shoot Mormon sect arrested at traffic stop
It’s about damned time.
Now, I have NO BEEF with polygamy per se. People who have open relationships, or whatever, as long as it’s all consensual and up front, I don’t care. Nor is this a slam at most Mormons, who belong to the LDS, as opposed to one of the off-shoot cults, like this guy.
Marrying underage girls, kicking teenage boys out when they hit puberty (so there’s less competition), possible child abuse, etc.
I’m so glad this motherfucker is in jail. I HOPE HOPE HOPE they extradict him to Utah to face his charges there. Having lived in Utah from 1994-2005, I can tell you that the Beehive State has a hard-on for Jeffs that will only be satisfied by a long, long prison sentence.
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Throw away the key, shouldn’t see light of day, etc. Yay.
I almost hope the guy turns out to have killed someone so they can cook him.
I have to say, I’m shocked this isn’t getting more attention. I saw about a five minute blurb on CNN before they went back to Katrina stuff, and this is the only thread I found about Jeffs capture on the board. I figured there would be a fair amount of fanfare about this, at least on here.
I dunno – it’s like polygamy is suddenly getting a special pass from the media. I mean, there’s a sitcom about a bigamist, ferchrissake! What’s next, Jim Belushi as a happy-go-lucky white slaver? C’mon, folks, bigamy is just wrong – it goes against the laws of nature. And yes, I asked Mother Nature. This is not what she intended. She’s still pissed off about margarine.
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I dunno – it’s like polygamy is suddenly getting a special pass from the media. I mean, there’s a sitcom about a bigamist, ferchrissake! What’s next, Jim Belushi as a happy-go-lucky white slaver? C’mon, folks, bigamy is just wrong – it goes against the laws of nature. And yes, I asked Mother Nature. This is not what she intended. She’s still pissed off about margarine.
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The polygamy itself might not be that sensational, but you’d think the media would latch onto Jeff’s practice of marrying off 15 year old girls to 45 year old men who already have three other young wives. After all, many of the girls in question are blonde and all are white. You’d think the JonBenet Effect[sup]TM[/sup] would dictate that this story get* more * publicity than it deserves, not less.
I’m glad that Jeffs is getting put away, but I have to say it seems unlikely to change much in the way the sect is run. I’d guess that one of Jeff’s brothers or sons will step in and maintain the status quo.
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After all, many of the girls in question are blonde and all are white.
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Yeah, but they all wear frumpy home-made dresses.
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Yeah, but they all wear frumpy home-made dresses.
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Man, when I lived in Utah (1994-2005), you’d see polygamist families at the amusement park or the Costco from time to time. It was so sad:
All the boys would be in cheap, but fairly new and clean khakis and polo shirts, and all the girls and women would be in homemade pioneer dresses. The dresses were always of some dark, drab fabric, unflattering cut, and invariably covered every inch of skin to the ankles, wrists and collarbones. It used to make me so fucking angry: how can you subjugate and abuse women more than by marrying them off as unwilling teenagers? Well, how about making them dress like freaks while the men get to look relatively normal.
Pardon me while I go punch a wall. :mad:
You are on the FBIs ten most wanted list and you are driving around in a car without visible registration? Maybe that community is a little too inbred.
(Hope they throw away the key.)
Does this mean that in prison he’ll be just one of several wives?
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Does this mean that in prison he’ll be just one of several wives?
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No, it means that he’ll be the single recipient of many cocks in the ass. Probably on some kind of rotating schedule…Tyrone on Mondays and Thursdays, Bull on Tuesdays and Sundays, Frank on Wednesdays and Fridays, and Jeffs gets Saturday to apply ice and Neosporin and get ready for the next week.
Why the HELL doesn’t someone step in and do something about these sects? Didn’t the US state part of the reason for the whole Middle East invasion thing was for freedom and democracy and so women over there wouldn’t be second class citizens, and right here in the US of A these young girls are being treated pretty much the same damn way?
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Why the HELL doesn’t someone step in and do something about these sects?
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Read the book Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. A number of years ago, some Utah authorities (don’t remember if this was led by a governor or a D.A. or something else) made a huge stink and arrested a bunch of people and cracked down on these extreme factions. The wise people of Utah then voted out those authorites, by a fairly wide margin, at the first opportunity. The obvious conclusions from this would be rather uncharitable, but the book makes it clear that the situation is a hell of a lot more complicated than it might appear. Nevertheless, it’s a good question.
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Why the HELL doesn’t someone step in and do something about these sects? Didn’t the US state part of the reason for the whole Middle East invasion thing was for freedom and democracy and so women over there wouldn’t be second class citizens, and right here in the US of A these young girls are being treated pretty much the same damn way?
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A complicating factor is the sects vary a lot. Some of them are really fucked in the head, like FLDS, and some of them are more like the mainstream LDS, but with polygamy, and they don’t abuse young girls. And then there are still other polygamists who aren’t part of any organized group. In general the attitude in Utah seems to be to leave people alone unless there’s evidence of abuse going on.
As for the FLDS, it’s pretty hard to get an indictment when all the witnesses are brainwashed by a cult leader, and the cult just happens to control all the local law enforcement in the town that they own.
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Read the book Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. A number of years ago, some Utah authorities (don’t remember if this was led by a governor or a D.A. or something else) made a huge stink and arrested a bunch of people and cracked down on these extreme factions. The wise people of Utah then voted out those authorites, by a fairly wide margin, at the first opportunity. The obvious conclusions from this would be rather uncharitable, but the book makes it clear that the situation is a hell of a lot more complicated than it might appear. Nevertheless, it’s a good question.
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Am I remembering this correctly, that since the cops are also FLDS members, going into town was also just flat out dangerous, and they risked a Waco-like siege if they tried to take Jeffs there?
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No, it means that he’ll be the single recipient of many cocks in the ass. Probably on some kind of rotating schedule…Tyrone on Mondays and Thursdays, Bull on Tuesdays and Sundays, Frank on Wednesdays and Fridays, and Jeffs gets Saturday to apply ice and Neosporin and get ready for the next week.
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I believe the technical term in a prison setting is “bitch,” as in, “He gonna’ be MAH bitch nah!” Although this may require the coining of a new word: polygabitch, meaning the bitch of several women. Say it with me, won’t you? Polygabitch!
:smack: Make that the bitch of several MEN, not women (you dipshit!)
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Am I remembering this correctly, that since the cops are also FLDS members, going into town was also just flat out dangerous, and they risked a Waco-like siege if they tried to take Jeffs there?
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The cops, the judges, probably 95% of the town Colorado City , AZ is FLDS. It was established by them as Short Creek back in the 1920s. But, I don’t know if they would try to stage a Waco thing. They haven’t done that since the Mountain Meadow Massacre.
The town actually straddles the Arizona/Utah border.
I assume the reason that there isn’t some huge crackdown on the practice of polygamy is that the men in that town (if I understand this correctly) are married only to one wife. The rest, as far as the government is concerned, are single moms with kids. In the FLDS, they’re considered married, though. The charges they seem to want to stick to Jeffs concern statutory rape.
The town (according to the aforementioned Under the Banner of Heaven) gets about $8.00 from the government for every $1.00 they pay in taxes due to these leeches. They call it “bleeding the beast” and find it easy to justify.
I don’t know why this isn’t a HUGE story. When is the media going to realize that TONS of girls as young as 13 are being forced into marriages with older men? Polygamy? Fine by me. But not if this is how it’s going to be implemented.
What could be stopping the MSM from covering that story? These people live in places like Colorado City because they don’t want to be exposed to the light of day. That’s reason enough to have crews on the ground ALL THE TIME.
In UTBOH, Karakauer suggests that as many as 100,000 people are members of this church.
That’s not sexy enough for the MSM? That’s not newsworthy. . .that in the United States girls are being forced to marry men? That a whole town is completely bilking the American taxpayer?
Good, they got Jeffs. Until the extent of this shit is exposed, there’s just going to be another guy to step right into his place.
Polygamy is fine as far as I’m concerned. The marrying off of children (which is their parents’ fault moreso than Jeffs’) is bad, welfare bilking is bad, the fashion sense in this town is horrendous. It’s all bad. But I have no idea how this guy made the FBI’s Top Ten list. What did he do that was so horrible that he’s the Big Ol’ Bad Guy Who Has To Be Taken Down? I mean, aren’t there lots worse guys we an all think of off the top of our heads? He didn’t kill anyone. He didn’t make anyone more miserable than any other shitty husband/father. He’s a tax evader. So are lots of people.
He’s creepy alright, but the FBI’s TOP TEN?