Dammit! This whole “inertebrate” thing is deliberate sabotage undermining the credibility of my thread. I’m calling Jesse Jackson and Dershowitz!
So much for “compassionate conservativsm”.
Monty:
In case you didn’t catch it, I didn’t say word one about Bush’s oratory skills, or even Gore’s in general. I said that today,specifically, he sucked.
When I said Harris was acting irresponsibly and unfairly I was lauded by some of the Dems for being fair-minded. I say Gore did something putzworthy, and all of a sudden, I’m automatically biased. Uh-huh. :rolleyes:
Bush has behaved with about the same level of decorum as Gore and in his shoes would be doing he exact same stuff. I wish they would stop interrupt Canadian newscasts to report “breaking news” such as “The Florida Court has not yet made any decisions. Their representative declined to comment” (okay, that was a few days ago). I think Bush is as dumb as a frigging mule. I also think that since “algor” is a good English word for “coldness”, it makes a lot of sense to spell his name without the space, despite the objections of some on this board.
Scylla:
Here’s another news-flash for you: there are very many ballots in Florida which went through exactly ZERO machines. To wit: absentee ballots.
Carry on carrying on.
Um, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but on the issue of Gore, you had no credibility to loose.
tj
Scylla, ummm, isn’t that, ummmm, the whole problem? That the machine might not have counted votes from ballots which didn’t have the chad completely removed. The card might have gone through the machine any number of times; if the chad was not knocked off in the process the vote still wouldn’t be counted.
Uh, Tejota, may I direct you to this thread?
(I am being totally silly and anal, I know!) But it has been on my mind today…sorry.
King George VI also had a horrible stutter-yet was immensely popular and helped get his country through WWII…(Yeah, he was a figure head…but look at how he kept morale up.)
He said it again.
Yes, nebuli, that is the root of Gore’s complaint. I’m not even saying it’s not legitimate.
But, that’s not what he’s saying. Right now he just said that “thousands of votes haven’t been counted, even once.” It’s a lie.
He said “every vote needs to be counted,” and his followers have moved to disqualify overseas ballots.
He’s an inertebrate.
Yosemitebabe:
I saw John Corrado fixed your thread title. Sheesh. Talk about subjective and selective. 
Has that knee of yours been jerking like that since birth?
<shrug> I dunno. There were in New Mexico.
No, I suppose I didn’t. What could I have been thinking, hoping for facts in GD?
And yet every state and major municipality in the US has provisions for the challenging of election results. Not to mention that courts as well as certifications have been wrong before.
And just to stem any possible assumptions, please don’t assume that because I do not despise Mr. Gore, I must love him. Ditto for Mr. Bush. I do not particularly want either of them to be my President. But I do not fall victim to unwarranted hatred of them either.
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If you disagree with my statements, you could supply some facts of your own.
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To paraphrase the Byrds, “to everything, spin, spin, spin.” I don’t challenge your facts–you have presented none. I challenge your opinions on the same grounds you presented them in, except hopefully I’m a little less prone to vitriol at someone I’ve never met.
I think Mr. Gore sounded fine in the telephone call. You do not. I feel his stuttering a little in no way made him appear stupid or less able to do either his current job or the one for which he has campaigned. Apparantly, you believe otherwise. I do not think he appeared contrived (any more so than any appearance by any politician, at least). You do. I have nothing personal against Mr. Gore. You, it seems, do.
So, unless you can back up any of your opinions, they will simply remain opinions. Funny, I was under the impression that eradicating ignorance implied learning all the facts, or at the very least accepting that not all the facts may be available. Regardless, there’s no debate to be had here–merely near-religious political bickering and namecalling. And that I’ve seen enough of.
Oops. I was always better at math than spelling, but I really do know the difference between lose and loose.
Correction noted.
tj
I just thought this post bears repeating.
And if you’ll excuse me, I have to go laugh my ass off now.
No he isn’t. Unless you think ‘run though a machine’ is the same as ‘counted’. If you do, then you need to defend that assumption.
Since running the votes though the machine didn’t actually register a vote. And since it is unlikely in the extreme that there are 10,000 voters in Dade county who didn’t vote in the presidential race, it’s reasonable to say that these ballots have not yet been counted.
In fact, it’s unreasonable to say that they have been counted, since if they had been counted we would know how many of them were for each candidate.
You might want to check the definition of the word ‘count’ before you come back with a rebuttal…
tj
andros:
To my knowledge Gore has not alleged that there are any missing votes. Are you suggesting that he is saying there are? Or, do you think he is referring to ballots that weren’t handcounted to his satisfaction? I think anything but the latter is reaching.
You haven’t addressed the fact that when Gore says thousands of votes weren’t counted “not even once,” that that is a deliberate lie.
You can say There’s a possible that a couple of votes got lost somewhere, but that’s not what Gore’s saying. He’s lying.
If you didn’t expect a fair and balanced OP, but decided to “bite” anyway, then it’s a little weird to be all upset about any “spin” I might have applied. Or, at least it’s too late to complain now (I think the deadline for registering spin complaints expired at 7:30)
Did I say he couldn’t challenge it? No, I said he shouldn’t. He’s held up the certification to poroceed with his handcounts, that the governing boards either chose or were unable to complete, by the Supreme Court mandated deadline. The election boards should have gotten the job done, and committed the resources to do it properly. They did have enough time IMHO. In fact, one county did get it done. It’s a simple enough calculation. You figure out how many votes you count in an hour, multiply that result out to figure how long it will take, and commit the resources necessary to get the job done, or don’t. (I do wish Harris had granted a two hour extension though,)
Gore’s played his cards before the certification. I don’t think he has much of a hand, and oughtta consider folding. Call it a battle well fought, and I’ll see you '04.
Tejota:
SO your suggesting that all the other states that didn’t do handcounts haven’t had their votes counted?
Dade County is a big county. I would not be surprised in the least if 10,000 ballots didn’t have a Presidential vote. I have occasionally not voted for particular offices on the ballot, where I was not familiar with the issues or loiathed both candidates.
But again, you are not arguing what Gore said Florida has had two machinecounts of each and every ballot, and selective handcounts of democratic counties, and Gore has still not won.
If you are saying a machine count isn’t a count, you’re full of it. Even CNBC recognizes the fallacy of this. If Gore, or you wish to argue that the machine counts aren’t accurate , or are faulty, that’s one thing. To say the ballots weren’t counted period, is misleading at best.
“Subjective and selective”, my sweet Aunt Fanny. 
Y-babe had a vital part of her OP’s title in quotes, which disappeared when she posted it. As it affected a vistor’s ability to comprehend her subject matter, John fixed it, as I would have done in the same circumstance. You see, there is your solution: next time you make a typo, be sure to put the typo in quotes and preview so it will disappear, and then I will fix it. Problem solved. <grin>
Why is it a lie? A card can go through a machine any number of times; if the machine is not sensitive enough to detect the vote that was marked on the card, the vote has not been counted even once. Are there really thousands of cards with uncounted vote? We won’t know unless somebody counts them by hand. So Gore’s statement may well be an exaggeration, but it’s certainly more truthful than saying every vote has been counted at least twice as the Bush spinsters have been proclaiming.
PS- I see Tj has beaten me to the punch, so just consider this a “what he said”.
Gaudere:
Admit it, you just enjoy watching me argue in a thread who’s very title proves me an idiot.