Come now, Kennedy; isn’t it logical to use something God put on this earth with us before some crap cooked up in a lab. That is not to say that I don’t go to traditional Doctors but I question everything. It is my right, I am paying them.
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Oh, and the “herbs” that some people want the FDA to crack down upon? It’s NOT cinnamon and cloves, it’s herbal remedies. Y’know, stuff like ephedra or Kava, that people will take for their maladies instead of regular meds because “it’s natural”, disregarding that something natural can hurt you if you use it wrong.
Actually, Deliri, cinnamon is used to “relieve diarrhea and nausea; counteracts congestion; aids the peripheral circulation of the blood. Warms the body and enhances digestion; especially the metabolism of fats. Also fights fungal infection. Useful for digestive problems, diabetes, weight loss, yeast infection, and uterine hemorraging.”
And clove “has antiseptic and antiparasitic properties, and acts as a digestive aid. Essential oil is applied topically for relief of mouth pain.”
This info comes from James F. Balch, M.D. and Phyllis A. Balch, C.N.C.
May I suggest a nice casserole of fugu with fly amita sauce?
<< And clove “has antiseptic and antiparasitic properties, and acts as a digestive aid. Essential oil is applied topically for relief of mouth pain.” >>
Step right up! I have a small bottle of table salt that I’ll sell you for $5.95! Cures arthritis, rheumatism and gout! Prevents liver cancer! A sure-fire and natural contraceptive!
Ye gods, you’re right!!
I’m never eating anything ever again.
Hey, Dex , salt is actually a mineral not an herb.
We sure are off the subject of milk!
Quoth akrako1:
There’s a very simple guide to what evolution “says” we should eat. Things that taste good are the things we’re evolved to eat. High fat, high sugar, high salt foods are great for the lifestyle we’ve had through most of our evolution (and, in fact, for the lifestyles of most species even now). In other words, McDonald’s is what we’ve evolved to eat.
As for genetically modified foods, I challange you to name any food which you’ve eaten in the past week which wasn’t genetically engineered. Or in the past twenty years. Or any food eaten by any of your ancestors in the past thousand years which wasn’t genetically enngineered. There are a few, but not very many. Bread? The wheat is probably of a species which didn’t even exist until humans came along. Organically-raised beef? Not unless it came from an aurochs or a bison. Apples? Only crabapples. We’ve been genetically engineering our food for all of history. The only difference now, is that we have some clue what we’re doing, and we have to prove that it’s safe first.
Lil’ Hink, “God put” strychnine on this Earth. And poison ivy. I wouldn’t recommend eating either of them.
Mineral, herb, who cares as long as it’s “natural”. :rolleyes:
Chronos, I take exception to you comments that we’ve evolved to eat McDonalds. The things that are now abundant in our diet (fat, and especially sugar, and even salt) were not always so easy to find. That’s why we like them so much - keeps us looking for them.
Back to the OP. Guinastasia, could you clarify your question? Do you mean “Does milk help with building up teeth?” or “Does 1% milk help with building up teeth?” I think you meant the latter, since the former seems common knowledge. But you could be asking if common knowledge is correct.
Answer to question two: same as whole milk. The 1% is the fat content. Normal milk has about 6% fat. Removing the fat does not reduce any of the other vitamins and minerals.
Hey, Chronos, that’s a great phrasing of a logical argument. Can I use it sometime?
I don’t think this question was properly answered. A couple of posts taled about the precautionary principle (which in my mind is an excuse to do nothing all day), but there are two other major factors in the reason why Europe and much of the rest of the world is against GM:
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GM technology is mostly from US companies. European farmers rightly fear that their livelihood is at risk, so they have pressured EU lawmakers provide them protectionist legislation in the guise of precaution, and
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Much of the rest of the world, including Europe, is anti-science and their people fall for all kinds of goofy stuff. They actually have whole hospitals in Europe dedicated to homeopathy! I’ve read reports from Europe that dowsing is treated as a legitimate field of study. I’ll provide my own counterpoint to this argument - the US is much more religious than Europe. I’m not sure how to resolve that contradiction.
I’d also agree that we haven’t evolved to eat McDonalds. Just because be crave something, doesn’t mean we need it. Craving can indicate that when evolving, that mineral/vitamin was scarce, and it would be of benefit to consume at much as possible when available. Or there’s the remote possibility that sugar is addictive.
As far as what I have eaten that is not GM, I would have to say that almost 90% of what I consume is organic and non-GM That does include Ostrich, Buffalo as well as beef that is free-range and farm raised. I am fortunate enough to live in Chicago where there are many choices for organic produce and meat.
As far as the ‘genetic engineering’ of foods up to current, I feel there is a BIG difference between crossbreeding different types of grains, and inserting chuncks of fish dna into the nucleus of a vegatable.
It’s crazy how anti-science Europe is. They still live in huts over there. Or haven’t you been?
And as far as the horridness of having whole hospitals being devoted to Homeopathy, I don’t think anyone is forced to go to them. And their crazy insurance covers it too. And everyone is guaranteed insurance, how barbaric! I’ve learned that this group tends to be pretty damn closeminded about Homeopathy and other non-traditional medicine, so that’s all I’m going to say about that - a topic for another thread.
Gets rid of lice, too! http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=156509
Yes, we tend to be very close-minded about topics that are scientifically impossible to be true.
The distinction is not between traditional and non-traditional. The three categories are:[ul]
[li]Tested and found to be valid[/li][li]Tested and found to be invalid[/li][li]Untested [/ul][/li]
Homeopathy is in the second category, and has been for years.
Regards,
Shodan
If you want to read an article that discusses what we “evolved” to eat, go to Scientific American. They’ve had several. Yeah, I know academic researchers get money from the government, which is bought and paid for by capitalist pigs and they don’t care if their own children get ill.
But for the record, we didn’t evolve to eat anything raised in any kind of agriculture. Agriculture first appeared in southwest Asia at about 8500 BC. 10,000 years is just enough time for evolution to get started - assuming some kind of evolutionary pressure.
For at least 100,000 years, people lived as hunter gatherers. They ate nuts, fruits, vegetables, wild game, and fish. The percentages of each varied wildly by local, as did the actual constituents. Further, since few peoples stay still forever, the diet of any particular group changed over time. Some peoples were eating aurochs (bred into cattle), some were eating gazelles.
We evolved to eat darn near anything with a carbon chain in it.
That doesn’t mean any of that is good for us. When you life expectency is 35, how much evolutionairy pressure is exerted by the evils of a high fat diet? Stop and think about the fact that Europeans obviously evolved to digest milk as adults. That implies evolutionary pressure [IT] for [/IT] milk.
Me, I drink milk and so do my kids. My 13 year old girls look like girls, and we are all extremely healthy. I would suggest that high fat diets have more to do with early onset of puberty than anything else. I don’t believe it is an accident that early puberty and the rise of obesity are linked.
I eat free range beef, because it tastes better, and a friend we trust raises it.
Well, I do want to point out that although cows milk is only used to drink in European “white” cultures, “dairy” is used almost world wide. Northern Asians use Yogurt. Indians use Ghee (butter). Some african cultures drink milk & blood, and some cultures use goats milk. Cheese is also common in many areas. If our “freinds” at PETA had their way, all these uses would be banned, as would all “animal exploitation”- including at least according to some- all “pets”.
Then saying “I drank milk for years, gave it up and then I became a model of health” is the kind of thing we are fighting against here. Maybe that changed your health, maybe not- there could have been many other causes. I know some say they “find Jesus” (or “get clear” of “chant a mantra” or …) and their life gets better right off- but I am NOT going to accept this as evidence that Jesus personally did a few miracles to make their life better. (I will entertain a possibility that “faith” makes you look upon things in a different light, however)
Sure, there is a tiny possibility that hormones used in dairy cattle do make the milk harmful. But there is also a possibility that tiny devils are doing the same thing. What we work on here are “facts”, not baseless suppositions- and there is NO, that is NO, evidence that these hormones are unsafe. But if this was really the concern of PETA & such dudes, then they’d say that drinking hormone free milk is fine- which they don’t.
Now- “milk for cats”- maybe occ, for a treat- depending on the cat. One of mine occ “steals” a drink from a cup, with no ill effects. There are also milk products marketed especially for felines. But yes- too much milk will cause “the runs” in many cats.
Milk has many vitamins & minerals, as do eggs & meat products. (As do some vegetables). In some case, these are hard for the body to assimilate. But the same is true of vegetables- the iron in spinach, for instance, is pretty well unavailable for human digestion. Eat a varied diet.
But salt shvirels slugs!
Are you saying you don’t care about slugs?? 
No, I care about slugs. It’s great fun shriveling slugs. 
Actually, it’s half that much. 43% of the calories in Lucky Charms comes from sugar. Over 90% of the calories from fruit juices come from sugar.
Lily: << Are you saying you don’t care about slugs?? >>
Well, I don’t care about some of his illustrations, but others crack me up entirely. He’s just weird, you know?
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**Actually, it’s half that much. 43% of the calories in Lucky Charms comes from sugar. Over 90% of the calories from fruit juices come from sugar. **
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Sorry, I was attemting to show that there is a high sugar content in most cereal milk, and that may be part of the cause of ‘the runs’.
How about accupunture? What have those crazy asians been thinking while they’ve been practicing it for thousands of years. I’m sure you folks will put it in the same category as Homeopathy - a crazy ‘energy based’ non-traditional medicine that can’t be ‘scientifically’ proven. Because of course, everything that can be proven has been. Scientists never change their minds. In fact, since all that can be learned has been, we should stop all scientific inquiry.
Even though it seems your mind is made up, here’s some new research. While not proving Homeopathy, it demonstrates that all is not known by the medical/scientific field. Though it is published by some “anti-science” Europeans…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1643364.stm
Accupuncture goes into a 4th category- “hasn’t been tested enough to know for sure”. It works, but it that due to the Placebo effect? We don’t know enough yet, and more studies are needed. Until then, for certain non life threatening conditions, if it works for you, use it.
Tell ya what akrako. Let us both be infected with the Black Plague. I will take only standard antibiotics. You can take every other cure OUTSIDE “tradicional western medicine”, including homeopathy, accupuncture, chiropactry, and the works. I’ll dance on your grave. 
However, we are getting rather off topic, no? This doesn’t have much to do with milk.