You’re accusing me of something that is the opposite of what I said in the post you just replied to.
I said we want the same standards applied to companies and ACORN:
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Please point out my “admission”.
Well isn’t this special. If you don’t do whatever it takes to register, you don’t care about voting, regardless of your circumstances.
Ever live in the inner city?
Stage 2: “I really think the franchise works best if we limit it to land owners. If people care about voting, they’ll choose to own land.”
How ridiculous is that?
It’s not like ACORN was dragging people out of soup kitchens and forcing them to register. The people who ACORN helped to register … wanted to register. Why is that diminished because they did it though the help of a non-profit as opposed to just winging it on their own?
You’re claiming you WANTED ACORN to get the “death penalty?”
I didn’t think that was the case.
Yes.
Not the same thing at all. “Choose to own land,” is not a simple matter. “Choose to register to vote,” is.
Bullshit. They “wanted to register” in an off-handed, lackluster way. “Sure, if you’ve got the form in front of me right now, and I don’t have to do anything except write my name and address and sign, sure I’ll register.”
They didn’t want to register in the way I wanted to register: getting to City Hall, walking up a staircase to the registrar’s office, and filling out the form.
Actually, you arrogant poseur, that IS the question: why do you think helping poor—and this IS the point—black people to vote is bad? Why do you think it’s okay for Blackwater to rape and murder people? And how come you’re such a dishonest slimeball that you’re comparing a charitable organization to a company of scumbags? I’m sure it’s a coincidence that they’re Republican-owned, Republican-approved, and produce more than a few Republican fantasies. ACORN, however, helps those black people that apparently you think should just get off their asses.
You’re comparing helping poor people to murdering raping thugs, and that’s false equivalence. And you’re doing it so you can once again hide what a scumbag James O’Keefe is and how typical he is of your party.
Go ahead, Bricker, whip out the insults. But your insults are all false while at the end of the day, you have to deal with the company you keep and what you think are ‘principles’. Shudder. You’re defending Blackwater and attacking ACORN. You’re desperately trying to once again threadjack on another thread about that lying scumbag James O’Keefe. If you had an argument, you wouldn’t have to resort to this kind of crap, but you do it every time.
No, I’m claiming that if ACORN gets it, companies should get it to. If companies are protected from it, then ACORN should to.
That’s what I mean by “same standards”.
Wow, so the people ACORN helped were just those shiftless, lazy peasants and they’re not as good as your rich white male ass, huh? That’s not even a dogwhistle.
Simple is relative to your resources. Choosing to register is simple. Having the time during City Hall working hours, getting someone to watch the kids, figuring out what bus route gets you there etc etc, is not.
You liberals, with your basing your judgments on context and whole picture nonsense. You can’t view single events as a symptom of an amoral, mercenary company like Blackwater. No, no, no. We must focus on a little detail so Bricker can call you a liberal hypocrite. So the question is you bilious, liberal twit, when are companies/agencies imputable to an employees actions? No other information to the discussion is welcome. Why? Because then we’d have to go back to the original topic as opposed to a distraction. You liberal you.
OK, I gotcha. My mistake.
Do you have a preference on which standard should be applied? That is, would you say that NEITHER ACORN nor Xe should be liable for the conduct of their execs, or BOTH should be?
Well, let’s see.
At the end of the day, I’m not complaining. I’m perfectly content at the results we’re seeing.
You are, presumably, not content.
So if it’s truly “end of the day” analysis you seek, I’m content to rest there. At the end of the day, ACORN no longer exists, and Xe does. At the end of the day, Schilling resigned from NPR, and their budget will probably get cut anyway.
If you can’t handle the debate about the factors that should be considered and need to focus on the end of the day, there’s the end of the day.
How do you like it?
Huh.
Gee, for a minute there I thought we might have a chance of talking about Superrunt, James O’Keefe, the miraculous lying Republican weasel.
Talk away. You don’t see me defending him, and with good reason.
Any organization will have isolated problems at various levels, even the executive. The organization should be penalized for any misconduct at any level proportional to the level of misconduct.
If you can show a pervasive, implicit organizational attitude that ignores or encourages the misconduct, then the punishment should affect the organization as a whole.
IMO, Xe had a special, protected status in its role as a State Department security provider. I hold Xe to higher standards, especially in the context of it’s life and death decision making process.
Lets say ACORN was guilty of aiding and abetting human trafficking as that fraudulent video suggested. That branch should be immediately shut down and the organization should be required to undergo external audits to show that the case wasn’t evidence of a systemic problem.
But all this is moot. Since businesses will not be held to these standards regardless of the laws on the books, it’s wrong to hold ACORN accountable at the “death penalty” level. If you announced the equivalent punishment to a publicly held company, i.e. blacklisted from any government contracts, the hue and cry would be deafening.
How hard do we want to make it to vote? We already established having to own land is too hard, but having people bring you a form is too easy. Should barriers be put up for people who live near city hall, so voting isn’t too easy for them? Going next door to sign a form doesn’t seem that much harder than finding the ACORN guy. Would an organization that helped people who lived further away from city hall register be ok?
No, you just changed the subject to attack the organization he lied about and to compare them to a company who has murdered at least seventeen civilians and committed—and tried to hide—one gang rape.
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Wiki, but the bare bones are there.
I’m sure it’s only a coincidence that Bricker approves of making voting difficult, which tends to affect people who don’t tend to vote for his party. Can’t imagine why. I’m certain it’s merely a coincidence.
Hedge mazes.