But did you know that there’s a Batman villain called the Dollmaker, whose comic-book-universe biography I linked to?
I just came across a Beatles “music video” (they weren’t called that back then) for the song, “You Got to Hide Your Love Away”. I watched it because that song happens to be the very first song I ever performed in public solo, just me and my guitar (way back when I was 15 or so).
But there is a woman in the video, whose name I don’t know, and she’s most likely British, but there was something familiar about her. After repeated viewings, I realized, “Could this be Ms. Kringle’s grandmother?”
Holy crap, her face and her mannerisms ...That looks kind of like a guy. Miss Kringle does remind me of someone though, but I can’t think of where. She played an innocent mom type I think.
I think they made a big mistake giving Fish her eye back so quickly. She should have worn an eyepatch for at least a few episodes. And you also had the possibility of the doctor using the promise of a new eye as leverage.
No, I wasn’t a reader of the Batman comics, but I was certain I’d find one if I looked. 
Dollmaker? C’mon, how could there not be one?
I also thought Fish would have a fashionable eyepatch from now on.
I was thinking that, by taking out her eye, Fish Mooney had taken a level of badass like Odin or Col. Tigh. Eyepatch Mooney would have been interesting. Alas it was not to be.
In other Fish Mooney news (BIG BIG SPOILERS - you have been warned!):
[spoiler]Jada Pinkett Smith has said that she will not be returning for next season.
source: Jada Pinkett Smith Has Some Surprising News About Her Role on ‘Gotham’
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“Who would of thought in a million years that I would have the opportunity to do that?”
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This thread has grown stale, so I’m guessing folks have dropped out of this show. Or maybe no one realized the show had come back from reruns. Anyway, I recommend dropping back in–the last couple of episodes have been really good, and tonight’s (4/20) was maybe the best episode of the series so far. Some very nice storytelling, and the different plot threads were woven together quite artfully (nice parallels between the Ogre and Penguin storylines). At least in my opinion. Get up and running with on demand if you missed last week’s ep; tonight’s show will make a lot more sense if you saw the lead in.
I too thought last night’s ep was awesome and I’m glad you revived the thread in case, as you say, people don’t realize it’s back on. I missed part of last week’s so I’ll need to rewatch it.
[SPOILER] Barbara was about to come to a bloody end but no such luck. Still two more episodes, so it could happen. What did you make of the look on her face when she walked into whatshisname’s torture chamber? She looked kind of turned on, no? Do you know if the actress is coming back for next season or could we soon be rid of this tiresome character?
Same as above regarding Fish.[/SPOILER]
Some people would like to see less of Bruce’s story. I used to feel that way but now I think it’s getting kind of interesting. I’ll take that over Jim’s love life any day.
I agree that Bruce is finally getting interesting - mainly because he’s finally running into moral grey areas and having to do something rather than mope around the manor.
It was fun to see Selina Kyle all dolled up, but wow did they get an awkward dress for her.
I liked the Penguin storyline, with everything constantly coming apart at the seams for him, not surprising he would snap the way he did.
Surprising we didn’t get any of Fish, but then she is my least favorite character, so I’m going to hope that she just crashed and died in the helicopter and we never have to see her again. I doubt that’s what will happen though.
And poor, poor Nygma. So intent on doing the right thing for his girl. Well, the girl he wants to be his girl. Maybe if Ms. Kringle had better taste in men he’d be a superhero instead of a supervillian.
It seemed to me that…
Ogre was about to introduce Babs to the wonderful world of villainy. Not kill her. It makes some sense, given the character’s character flaws.
I don’t think everything is quite unraveling just yet for Penguin. Just a fairly minor bump in his evil road. I did think it was interesting that we had three psychopaths featured in last night’s episode, but only two of them actually got stabby.
And yeah, Selina’s dress was not exactly the most flattering; I’m surprised they got her to wear it.
Another question. I’ve never ready any of the comic books and my first exposure to the world of Gotham was an already grown Batman via the Adam West series. Was Bruce’s father a crime fighter or have some dark secret?
I got the impression in the scenes for next week that the secret door behind the fireplace leads to what will become the bat cave (?)
There’s an elseworlds where Thomas Wayne becomes the Batman after Bruce is shot in the alley instead of him and Martha, but that is far outside of normal continuity. I think the worst Thomas Wayne ever did was some business deals with less than scrupulous people (like whoever is running Wayne Enterprises after he died). The guy is generally regarded as a saint.
There was a story from the 40’s where Thomas Wayne wore a very Batmanesque costume to a masquerade ball. IIRC, he ended up getting kidnapped by criminals who wanted him to patch up their wounded boss. It all played into Batman’s origin story somehow as this was during the period where it was canon that Joe Chill had been hired by Lew Moxon to off the Waynes. Anyway, Thomas Wayne ends up fighting criminals briefly in the bat costume and, later, Bruce dons it to bring down his dad’s killer. The whole thing isn’t as interesting as it sounds.
Yeah, they had to make sure her dress was age appropriate.
Yep, the Fish subplot is BORING!
There was also a story (When Batman Was Robin) in which the young Bruce Wayne donned a Robinesque costume he’d made himself (“I learned to sew in the Sea Scouts”), went down to the local police station, and asked the best detective there to tutor him in criminology. (“I’ll teach you everything I know. And because you’re as brilliant as a robin redbreast in that costume, I’m going to call you ‘Robin.’”)
Think how different your life would have been if *you *had tried this when you were a teenager… :rolleyes:
Somehow it wouldn’t surprise me if Barbara was a lot kinkier than The Ogre bargained for.
The last word he hears before she leaves him in a bloody heap: “Amateur.”
While Erin Richards in bondage gear would normally be a pleasant and interesting image, the scene has too much of a creepy Paul Bernardo/Karla Homolka vibe for me.
Anyway, Edward sure put a lot of holes in that cop. Riddled him, practically.
And I’m hoping Fish Mooney crashed the helicopter and died, never to be seen again.
The story was from 1956. It was the first appearance of Lew Moxon, with a retcon that he’d hired Joe Chill. Just like Chill, Moxon dies at the end of the story but conveniently not at Batman’s hand.
Thomas Wayne’s costume was a MacGuffin in the three-part miniseries The Untold Legend of the Batman from 1980, which recapitulated numerous origin-related stories in a reasonably coherent effort to fit them all together, including how Bruce Wayne had worn a proto-Robin costume while training in his teenage years. That story was originally published in 1955. Related to this, I’m getting quite tired of the wussy Bruce Wayne in Gotham. If this kid doesn’t start lifting weights or throwing punches or toughening up somehow soon, there’s no plausible way he turns into Batman.
Am I the only one who remembers the child snatchers?