Its no worse than a filibuster and if the voters don’t like it they can vote them out.
Its one thing to be obstructionist when someone presents an extreme position, whether you vote for it or not we are going to shove this down your throats.
Its another thing when someone ressurects a half ass idea that YOUR former presidential candidate offered 15 years ago and then waters it down to please you even more and every member5 of your party stands in unison against it because they claim its so extreme.
I’m afraid you’re wrong.
That doesn’t mean that liberal hypocrisy doesn’t exist generally.
Unless the Clocktower has undergone a serious upgrade since the last time I was there, I would agree with the “dump” assessment
So, wait. Do you WANT them to strip your pension and reduce your retirement benefits? Cuz that’s where this is headed.
Or do you just want to make sure that everyone who comes after you doesn’t get as good a retirement as you do?
Who cares about what else the democrats do this to? That has nothing to do with the thread you’re in right now. The democrats left because the republicans tried to ram through a piece of legislation containing a very clear union busting part and they wanted to get some publicity for the bill. That’s what happened now and that is what you clearly want to debate as opposed to debating the bill that caused this and give any reason why the objectionable part of the bill should even be in it at all.
The health care bit? You’ll argue that. Pension taxes? Sure. What do you think about the removal of collective bargaining? Will that even save any money at all?
If that’s too hard for you, you can go right on whinging about them yellow bellied democrats. That and inflating your opinions seems to be all you’re good at, so you might be better off sticking with what you know.
You should talk to a hedge fund manager sometime.
Republicans swept into power in 2010 because voters were trying to give Obama middle finger. How else can you explain how very progressive states like Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin letting their State governments be controlled by Republicans? Now you have Wisconsin and Ohio with no federal money for high speed rail and legislatures itching to solve deficits on the backs of working people. Far as I’m concerned, voters made their bed in the previous election so now they should be forced to lay in it.
My non-helpful, “black-supremacist” view:
Scott Walker encapsulates what white privilege is. This man has no college degree and was elected to be Governor of Wisconsin. Ohio elected a Fox News Broadcaster as their Governor. It must be nice being white.
- Honesty
The quorum requirement.
When are you going to respond to this Pkbites?
What are you willing to give back/give up?
They were pissed off about the economy?
Yeah, academic underachievement seems to be a bit more common among the more visible components of the conservative movement than you would expect. Perhaps the lack of exposure to liberal academic elites give you conservative street cred.
Of course not. But it would not have hurt me to pay more towards my benefits when I was working full time. The world would have kept turning.
It’s not bad. Not bat at all. You set your own hours and there’s no heavy lifting.:rolleyes:
I can’t believe it took over 3 pages for someone to play the race card!
Degrees don’t neam all that much either…looking at the White House…
This is what I don’t get. Can people honestly argue that this is a GOOD thing? And yes, I know some people will. I know a lot of people bitch about unions and such in my home state, and I always ask them if they even paid attention in 8th grade history. I usually get a blank stare and have to prompt them about coal miners. And then remind them that there was a movie made about it.
Usually, they still don’t know what I’m talking about. What is it they say about people who don’t learn from history?
Like I said, retard, it depends on what’s being obstructed.
So you concede that your basic argument is “I got mine”, I didn’t deserve it, sucks to be you?
Hmmm, did I miss a national referendum yes or no vote on cutting $100B out of discretionary spending this fiscal that was on the ballot in every State, votes were cast by a majority of adults, and there was a clear majority (let’s just say 60%+).
No, that didn’t happen. Would appreciate it if all and sundry fuckwits would quit trying to claim a “mandate.”
Wisconsin is showing that the Governor has a mandate for jack shit.
*I don’t want to join a union, think that unions get some sweet benefits I don’t (including President’s day holiday), am appalled by mandatory unions, equally appalled by no secret ballots, ad nauseum. But I would much rather see union unions die away because no one wanted to jin them and it made economic sense for workers not to join the union. Not because some Governor decides he wants to manufacture a crisis and ram through legislation under less than the full spotlight of democracy to bust the unions that don’t support him.
The people that work for the employer I worked for will get the exact same deal I did.
It wouldn’t hurt them to pay a bit towards those benefits any more than it would have hurt me to.
Agreed–that’s what you are saying now. But when the Republicans did it you bemoaned obstruction itself.
But that isn’t what they are being asked to do is it? They are not being offered the exact same deal as you. They are being told that they will not even close to the exact same deal as you had. Are you willing to accept, retroactively the deal they get? If not, why not? Are you willing now to pay retroactively more for the benefits you receive? If not, why not?