I was with you up till the part I underlined…what do you mean?
When all the lockdowns started, I noticed schools hurried to figure out how to have grab and go lunches for students because they KNEW so many poor families would starve if they didn’t.
Absolutely. A lot of inequities exist at the other end as well, IMO. I’ve seen ads for Ruth’s Chris Steak House over the years and often wondered what it’s like because mmboy, steak! But I never have sampled it (too pricey). Well instead of setting aside a rainy day fund now they get help while mom and pop’s around me go under?
I didn’t get a “quit your bitching” vibe from his comments. If I were in Cuomo’s shoes, I’d be obsessed with life/death, too. More than 21K have already died in his state. There are makeshift morgues in the parking lot house the bodies. Some New Yorkers still not social distancing etc. He’s crossed swords with Trump how many times, trying to get support?
I agree that there needs to be more done. This is like a fire drill gone wrong. And I think this is becoming the wave of the future. We’ve had how many scares in the last few years? Ebola, Zika, Swine Flu and more. To think this is the last time we might have to quarantine…?
I don’t get “chickenshit” from it. Overall I think Cuomo shouldn’t be fighting this alone. The Feds etc. should be leading it, having more resources etc. It’s a battlefield promotion of sorts. Makes you wonder why we pay federal taxes…
I’ve been the victim of physical and emotional abuse. My father was mentally ill and beat and emotionally abused my mother and my siblings for many years.
It was horrible, but preferable to dying of coronavirus. No, domestic violence is not death.
Sure, but if it was 100% certainty your kid was getting beaten bloody, but a 1% chance of death? Because they is the reality for a lot of kids. We are trapping them with certain abusers to minimize the chance of our own death. Those kids are not at risk.
Look, I’m not arguing it’s wrong. I’m just admitting, with humility, that it’s an awful choice, and a shameful mark on our society that we had to make it.
I guess my issue is that because this issue has somehow become partisan, people on the left are overcompensating. Admitting the terrible, terrible price of this isn’t the same as advocating for a premature end to the lockdown. It’s simply admitting the truth.
Except that isn’t what the protestors I am ( and the reporter was) speaking of were doing. It was a specific group of people who were outside his press conference on April 22. Thesepeople aren’t admitting any terrible price- they are advocating the end of the lockdown.
This post makes no sense. Cuomo is a bad person. But the OP is horrible for daring to say that out loud. Even though you yourself just got through saying that same thing. So the existence of other worse people both means that you should never say anything bad about him (the OP) and that it’s okay to say something bad about him.
If he’s a piece of shit, then the OP’s post is fine. Pretending that you have to be nice about the piece of shit because other people are worse is a false dichotomy.
Manda JO doesn’t seem to have been talking about you or the reporter. I mean, her first post in this thread was in reply to posters in this thread who seemed to only see one side. People in this thread were doing the same thing that Cuomo was doing, dismissing domestic violence as not being death and thus not worthy of consideration.
And that is what he did. He mentioned it flippantly, and then didn’t discuss it. It wasn’t even germane to the question asked, which was about economic hardship. He listed domestic violence along with emotional stress, for fuck’s sake.
Domestic violence increasing is not like economic hardship or emotional distress, both an inevitable part of the shutdown. There can still be mitigations. There have been elsewhere, like instituting phone lines to call if there are such problems and having places where they can go (albeit under quarantine for 14 days as they move).
What the OP says is valid–that, while we need to keep the lockdown, we also need to do what we can for these other situations. I don’t see any reason to turn it into “you think death isn’t worse than domestic violence?” Clearly R3d Anonymous doesn’t, as nothing in his OP even remotely implies that. He’s just concerned that mental health and domestic violence issues are being ignored during the lockdown.
I agree, We all know domestic violence is very bad. I wish everyone had the strength and ability to recognize abuse, to not enter a relationship with an abuser, to not bring children into this world with an abuser, to not stay with an abuser, etc but clearly that isn’t going to happen. Nothing can be done about the choices people make or the reasons why they make them.
But dying and spreading disease and death to others is a lot worse.
Not quite what I (thought I) was saying. My issue is with idiot conservatives pretending that liberals think their politicians are perfect and can’t see their warts, because that’s what they think. My contention is that yes, Cuomo has warts. NYers know that. But he is far better than anything the right has thrown up against him. And in this crisis, as conservatives try desperately to shift focus away from their horrible decisions, pointing out that Cuomo said something that could be interpreted as bad when Georgia and Florida Republican governors are actively trying to kill people is complete and total bullshit.
This is some victim blaming bullshit. Can’t you wish everyone had the strength not to hit their partners, not to hit their children, not to manipulate, isolate, and terrorize their partners until they can’t leave?
DeSantis has actually slowed down a lot, and is being much more cautious now. Maybe because he even saw Daddy Trump get mad at Kemp for re-opening so quickly.
DeSantis was actually a a pretty good good before all this happened. He kind of fumbled at first with the response to COVID-19, but he’s doing better now I’ve noticed. He’s going to take it much slower than Kemp did. Even though he is the biggest Trump supporter, his policymaking in the state since he became governor has actually been pretty decent.
Someone wrote a meme that said, in so many words, that parents now have carte blanche to “correct” their kids as they see fit, because the kids aren’t in school and CPS won’t be breathing down the parents’ necks for such travesties as making the kids eat their vegetables.
Reminds me of when so many youngsters were running away to San Francisco. Remember thinking, well, kinda understand all the teenage boys, after all, defiance, adventure and “free love”. But why so many girls, I wondered. “Nice” girls, shy, withdrawn, timid. Now, we know.
It would be nice if we lived in a perfect world where things happened exactly as you wish, but we don’t. Evil assholes will unfortunately always exist, so your post is pretty much a non-sequitur.
It’s the height of intellectual dishonesty to blame Cuomo, and even the virus itself for domestic violence. People trapped in abusive situations were already living under such conditions before the pandemic paralyzed us as a whole. His job (and the job of any leader of a territory/country) is to do what he can within his powers to mitigate the amount of casualties caused by COVID-19, and that can’t be done without instituting a lockdown of some sorts. Which inevitably means that some people will be cooped up with abusive partners/family members/roommates with no chance of a reprieve from the abuse. What is your proposed solution to this dilemma? Do you want the lockdown to be lifted and risk tens of thousands more lives lost in order to provide relief for the few who would benefit from that? You’re aware that abuse victims aren’t the only ones negatively impacted by the situation, right? People whose income have dropped to zero are hurt by this too, and they’re largely the ones protesting this lockdown. People who are ill and require medical treatment have had their elective surgeries postponed indefinitely. There’s going to be a lot of horrible collateral damage from this pandemic that’s not unique to domestic abuse victims and while it’s absolutely sad, there’s not a whole lot that can be done about it. My country’s government has allocated funds for domestic violence shelters, and it’s great that they did that. But Cuomo is but a governor of a state, and the bulk of the help should be coming from the federal government. He’s already going above and beyond his capacities, at this point people like you and OP are effectively asking him to acquire godlike capabilities. Which isn’t fair in the least.
Also, the term “victim-blaming” is being misused and (no pun intended) abused here. No one is to blame for their partners choosing to behave abusively, physically or otherwise. But let’s be honest here, most women in abusive relationships still choose to stay in such relationships even when presented with option and resources to leave. Sometimes they do leave and then eventually go back to those relationships. And it’s not unique to those facing economic hardship. How many times did Rihanna go back to Chris Brown before leaving for good? Resource-wise, she is far more privileged than the vast majority of people in similar situations. There was no practical reason for her to stay with him, and yet she did. You can’t really pin her choices on anyone but her. The same goes for those choosing not to flee abusive situations. Nobody invites abuse, but we do control our destiny through our choices. If someone had the means to leave their abuser before the pandemic and they chose not to exercise that choice, who is at fault here? Certainly not Cuomo.
I have sympathy for DV victims, I understand the psychology of Stockholm syndrome, but I think advocates for them forget that they are still responsible for gathering the courage to leave. The same way we can have sympathy for addicts who come from tragic backgrounds while understanding they’re still responsible for taking control of their lives instead of continually blaming everyone else. What gets lost in the discourse on DV victims is the frustration of their family and friends who have given up their time, their energy and in some cases even their own lives trying to rescue their loved ones from abusive relationships only for them to willingly jump back into the boiling pot, rendering all the sacrifices for naught. At some point you have to acknowledge some these victims are architects of their own destruction as well. You can’t control other people’s actions, but you can control how you respond to the situations caused by other people’s actions, and it’s not victim-blaming to say this.*
*Of course this doesn’t apply to people who can’t leave due to a lack of support/resources and children.