I understand lot of us have differing opinions on how long or extensive the shutdowns should be. And naturally there’s debate about when or if the “cure is worse than the disease”.
Being pro-lockdown is totally fine and probably necessary at least to some extent, but at the same time, the callous disregard for domestic violence, mental health concerns, and even economic hardship is also pretty disgusting.
That’s one thing that’s been irking me about this whole thing. A lot of people have empathy for COVID-19 patients, but have seemed to turn that empathy off for almost anything else. Issues I thought we made great progress on being understanding towards. I’ve even been hearing about people committing suicides due to this whole situation being made fun of or shamed for being “weak” lately. Feels very regressive societally.
As necessary as the shutdowns may be, the least we can do is still have empathy for these people and try to implement support services as best as possible.
Complaining that others lack empathy is a weird stance for a Tony Katz listener. Was it just last week that he had Rep. Hollingsworth on to argue in favor of ending stay-home orders as “the lesser evil,” or was that the week before? Time is kinda blurry for me these days.
I don’t know, because I don’t follow that site nor am I listener or really aware of it. It was just one of the sources I found that was talking about Cuomo’s remarks on the matter.
And I feel like empathy can go both ways, both in regards to the some people who are suffering from the devastating second-hand effects of the shelter-in-place and the people suffering from COVID-19. I feel like there’s not enough of the former however.
I’ve seen the clip going round on Facebook. He’s making a fair point. Abrasive, sure. But the original question was the old “isn’t the cure worse than the disease?” blah-di-blah that I’m sure he’s heartily sick of by now, and the whole point of listing a whole heap of bad things that we know are very bad, is that being dead is actually worse.
I have no idea what this Tony wazzizface’s political slant is, but I suspect him of having an agenda.
There will never come a time when I will say Cuomo is not frequently abrasive - but in a world where people think this
message is socially acceptable to have on your rear windshield , I don’t really have a problem with him being abrasive.
And yeah, sometimes those things are death - but context is everything. A reporter asked a “question” abut the protesters outside the briefing who want to get back to work , don’t have time to wait and say the cure can’t be worse than the disease. Thing is though, if the cure for economic hardship, emotional stress and domestic violence is reopening the economy too soon it will result in far more deaths than those three factors - there have been over 11K coronavirus deaths in NYC over the past what, six weeks? And that was with the businesses closed -who knows how many there would have been if it was “business as usual”. There were 318 murders in NYC in 2019 , and only a portion of them were due to DV. The most recent number I can find for reported suicides in NYC was for 2015, when 552 suicides were reported.
And there was another point Cuomo made- it’s all well and good to say that I want the economy to reopen and I’m willing to risk death to work or get my hair cut but it’s not only my death I’m risking. I might pick up the virus on the subway ( where I wouldn’t have been if I wasn’t working) and give it to the hairstylist ( who wouldn’t have had contact with me unless the salon reopened) and then* she *dies while I recover.
As a lifelong NYer, I can get behind Cuomo being an asshole. Because he is. He’s a shrewd political operator who plays cronyism like Yo Yo Ma plays cello. He’s corrupt. And he learned all of these things from his daddy, Mario. (Still fuming a bit when either he or Chris referenced their “middle class” upbringing…dudes, you’re the sons of a governor of New York who traded favors like Pokemon cards - you were nowhere near middle class).
Yet the other side can’t find anybody whom I might even consider voting for over Cuomo. Despite all that, when leadership and action was needed, he came through. George Pataki, who was a centrist Republican, was tolerable, but right now the only republicans getting any traction are the batshit insane ones; the ones who, in comparison, make Cuomo look like a clean, upstanding politician.
So yeah, Cuomo is a piece of shit. He’s an asshole. He’s still light-years better than those piece-of-shit asshole governors in Georgia, Florida, and a bunch of those western and southern states. So you can take that OP, shine it up real nice, then turn that sumbitch sideways and stick it straight up your candy ass, because at least he’s doing his fucking job and not sucking at the teat of the orange asshole.
So saying that domestic violence is very bad but not as bad as dying makes you a piece of shit? Well, then I guess I’m a piece of shit because I think the same thing.
Yeah . . . R3d Anonymous, are you suggesting that a person dying of COVID-19 is preferable to a person suffering domestic abuse? Are you suggesting that that isn’t the case, but you should never say it out loud because reasons? Or what, exactly, is your point?
Someone dying from coronavirus is worse than someone getting a black eye from domestic abuse. Someone dying from domestic abuse is worse than someone coughing for a week from coronavirus. To compare these things, you need numbers, which is complicated by the fact that the numbers who die from the reaction to the coronavirus are spread out over many different causes, and over years or decades.
Guys, it’s really easy to say “domestic violence is better than death” when it’s someone else’s domestic violence and your death. I agree that the lock down is essential, but we should be humbly recognizing that we are trapping some people in hell, rather than telling them they are lucky they aren’t dead (when what we really mean is, they are lucky that WE are not dead).
This lock down is not hitting all of America the same. We are not all making the same sacrifices. I’m making virtually none: I have a good, stable job I can do at home, a safe place to stay, full access to all the amenities I need. So I think it is important that I acknowledge and respect the fact that those sacrifices are being made, and not minimize the horrible cost others are paying.
There are children right now living in hell because of this. They will remember the lock down as a blur of pain, of sexual assault, of constant, grinding fear and shame with no hope of rescue or respite. We should not say to those children “Well, at least you aren’t dead. Quit your bitching”. We should say “We are sorry we had to pick the lives of the many over the safety of a smaller group.” And we should be thinking of ways to mitigate this, to reach out to those kids (and adults) and find a way to offer at least some of them escape.
Sometimes hard choices have to be made, but it’s chickenshit to deny the price others are paying.
Did Gov. Cuomo announce that domestic violence complaints will be ignored by the police until further notice? No? OP is fucking stupid considering all the real dumb shit going on.
Wacky Idea: Howzabout instead of opining from an edited transcript posted on a right-wing talk show host’s blog, we check out the tape of the full (4-minute) exchange and base our reactions on a primary source?
I don’t really disagree with anything you said ( and I kind of wish he had left the DV out of his response) but you have to understand that this statement was made in response to a question about protestors who don’t agree the lockdown is essential , and who are kind of doing what you describe - they’re saying someone else’s death or illness is better than their economic problems and that the “cure (lockdown) is worse than the disease (Covid 19)”.