I’ve heard rumors of the Gov’t coating all Morning Glory seeds sold at garden supply stores with poison to disuade people from using the seeds to make acid. Anybody have any information to share on this subject?
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You CANNOT use morning glory seeds to make LSD.
Use a frigging searg engine fer crissakes!
[Edited by manhattan on 02-08-2001 at 12:57 PM]
Here ya go:
A friend I knew in college once tried morning glory seeds. He said everything took on weird multicolor patterns and seemed very distant, but he also felt very restless and very tired at the same time. The seeds also made him vomit violently on and off for several hours. He never repeated the experience.
You CAN make LSD from morning glory seeds, but you’d need sophisticated laboratory equipment and a whole lot of seeds. It’s not worth the trouble. The seeds contain small amounts of LSA (lysergic acid amide), the chemical in ergot that’s used to synthesize LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide). LSA itself can be ingested for a psychedelic experience. The effects of LSA are similar to those of acid, although LSA is about 20 times weaker. In order to get high from morning glory seeds, you’d need to consume several hundred of them. Even if you do manage to find fungicide-free seeds, the seeds themselves contain a stomach irritant so you’re likely to puke them up before anything interesting happens.
–Caliban
While Sue pretty much answered the OP, i will reiterate, that most of the time the toxins are primarily to prevent fungi in soil from rotting the seeds and seedlings before they rot.The package will also say the seeds are unfit for animal consumption as well as human consumption (I remember a packet of California Poppy seeds I saw had this warning)
My experience growing Morning Glories is that they are often prone to damping off (where fungi attack the seedling and kill it). Your mileage may vary, a lot of people find them easy to grow…i’ll stick with Ipomoea acuminata (Blue Dawn Flower) cuttings…
(yes, i am well aware of what the OP was getting at ;))
of course, that SHOULD read…“primarily to prevent fungi in soil from rotting the seeds and seedlings before they get a chance to germinate and grow”.
Yeah, that’s true of plants like datura and jimson weed, but still people manage to get high on them quite regularly. But not Morning Glory seeds, you really don’t need very much to get high, just a small amount of seeds.
I worked at a garden center throughout my youth and I have intimate knowledge of seed sales. To correct some factual errors, I will let you know, ONLY morning glory seeds are treated with poison in this particular manner. None of the other seeds are treated with poisonous agents. I asked the seed company about this, and they said that Morning Glory seeds are treated specifically to prevent their ingestion. Other seeds are treated with preservatives, but the chemicals are not toxic like the stuff they put on Morning Glory seeds.
If you look around on the web for a while, you should be able to find many hippie-friendly sellers of untreated seeds. From what I’ve read on the web, Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds are better for your purposes anyway.
I tried them once myself (Morning Glory seeds, that is). Didn’t feel a damn thing other than nausea.
Also note that LSA is a Schedule 3 drug in the U.S., so it is illegal for you to ingest the seeds. Not quite as illegal as LSD or marijuana, but illegal nonetheless.
Aren’t these two one and the same? Jimson weed = datura stramonium. Besides inspiring college students to walk into police stations naked, datura provided some benefit to the medical community. It is the natural source of Scopolamine, a motion sickness medication.
I actually did use morning glory seeds a few times in my younger days with decidedly mixed results.
The technique was to soak the seeds in water, both to clean anything they had been treated with and to soften and split the shell. The germ was then minced in a coffee grinder and swallowed as a mash (approx five ounces). There was a period of queasiness and stomach cramps followed by a very slight LSD-like sensation --sharpened awareness, the high “E” note, a slight color shift to blue and an altered sense of proportion (no real visual effects for me, but my friend claimed checkerboard sensations). After effects included slight joint aches and fatigue.
My conclusion: not worth the effort at all.
I checked out Snopes, and there was noting there. I e-mailed Barbara Mikkelson (Snopes keeper), and she had not heard anything about this.
I’ve used tinctures made from home-grown “heavenly blue” seeds. As Inky says, the results are less than spectacular. You can get a lot higher inhaling the ether used in the extraction process.
I guess if you’ve never done a psychedlic it might seem interesting, but to an old acid head it’s more work than it’s worth.
As to the OP, many seeds are coated with poisonous substances, why do you think a govt. conspiracy is involved?
Now I’ve heard it all. What would make you all swallow morning glory seeds? Yuck.
hm. Manhattan must be softening. Last time there was a legitimate thread on LSD and related chemicals, he locked down the thread and reprimanded me publically and privately for posting that very link. 
Either that, or my insistence that it was information of value actually had some effect…
[Edited by manhattan on 02-08-2001 at 12:59 PM]
i never said I thought there was any kind of conspiracy, i was thinking maybe it was some sort of gov’t regulation or something. And I was thinking more in terms of LSA and not LSD
It is worth noting that unlike many hallucinogens, jimson weed can easily KILL YOU.
Take the advice of a former burn-out and stay away from that stuff.
Right you are, Sofa King. I really should have put that in my post.
FTR, I’ve never tried the stuff and don’t plan to.
Or, I don’t spend 24/7 on the board and sometime time actually elapses before I find these things. That’s a possibility, too.
Sue Duhnym, we don’t allow links to instructions on how to extract controlled substances from plants. In the future, please check your links more closely.
I tried one brand which was shipped from europe and tripped really hard off of around 300 seeds. I first felt really stoned and the taste turned to rainbows in my mouth and then wham I was tripping and seeing pure visuals. It was sort of scary but I later tried again and that time I enjoyed it much more. I recently ordered four ounces of seeds online from IAMSHAMAN and I got the worst cramps and pains in my limbs and stomach and chest I ever experienced. I tried extraction with cold water and the same thing happened. I keep thinking about doing the polar and nonpolar solvent extraction but it just sounds very dangerous, not to mention expensive and time consuming, and it may not work anyway if they are treated with something poisonous.
I’d like to say that the government is pure evil and has no right to keep messing with our natural highs. Even pot should be legal, however if they make it legal then sell it then what are they planning on giving the dope dealers they put in jail? I have no friends so I cannot get any anymore anyway. I find a new neat high in another form of nature and they come along and screw with it. When are the millions of people like us going to try and change this nation into one we want to live in more? Im 34 Male and live in Kentucky.