Great Seal of the US--can we dump the Masonic symbolism yet?

So I just noticed (thanks to Zack Parsons at Something Awful) the new seal for DARPA’s Information Awareness Office.

Now, completely apart from the fact that the office is headed by John “I Lied to Congress About Iran-Contra And Got Away With It” Poindexter, Parson’s seems dead-on in his assessment of the seal as “the Illuminati [catching] the planet in an evil tractor beam.” Let’s face it, the seal–depicting the truncated-pyramid-and-eye from the Great Seal of the US casting a yellow light upon the Earth–is freaky, and I find it fairly ominous.

But, of course, it’s just an extension of the symbolism found on the Great Seal, as well as every dollar bill out there. There’s little doubt (as far as I know) that the pyramid and eye come straight out of Freemasonry. The pyramid represents the unfinished Temple of Solomon, and the eye the Grand Architect of the Universe. They were Masonic symbols well before the adoption of the Seal, and certainly numerous Founding Fathers were Masons.

Now, I’m not interested in debating Freemasonry. I’ve got no beef with it. And the symbols have moved beyond being purely Masonic and now are pretty much generic US symbols, I suppose. But if they no longer represent what they originally did, what do they now represent? Answer: not a damn thing, to Joe Sixpack at least.

So anyway–am I way off base for being continually creeped out by the GSotUS? Am I off-base for being similarly creeped out by the new seal of the IAO? Should the pyramid-and-eye be replaced with someting a little more, well, meaningful and less mystical?

While where at it let’s lose all references to religion on the money. We could just put Calvin & Hobbes comics on instead. Then maybe I could relate a little better.

DaLovin’ Dj

I think that the more creeped out you are about those charged with securing your rights, the more vigilant you will be. I hope it creeps everyone out.

Goodness. Oh, yeah, that seal won’t freak out every camo-wearing militia member between here and the Rockies, no sir.

Actually, hell, that thing kinda creeps me out, especially given some of the allegations about what that particular office is up to. (Link requires free registration at the New York Times.)

“Biologically inspired algorithms for agent control”?!? OK, I think I actually have some idea of what that means, but combined with the seal, it’s enough to cause a run on tin foil at supermarkets across America.

Oh, the William Safire thing, yeah, I saw that go past earlier today.

I dunno, I kinda like the mental image of John Poindexter as Senator Palpatine. :smiley:

Before the Act.
After the Act.

Sure, guys, go ahead and laugh. You’ll think diffently when jack booted Shriners ride up on thier tiny black cars to take your guns! Don’t say you weren’t warned, I’ve been saying this stuff for years, and…'scuse, someone at the door.

No. NO! NOOOOO! AAAAAAaaaaarrrrgggh!

Interesting acronym for the new organization…from The Formula of I.A.O.:

…but I’m sure this is just a coincidence

There was only one Freemason on the committee that designed the Great Seal of the U.S., Ben Franklin. It is just a coincidence that both the Freemasons and the United States both use an eye on a pyramid to represent a higher power.

The logo of IAO looks like God is trying to destroy Europe and most of Africa by making them melt. What that means, I don’t know.

I don’t care much about the logo, but this department would scare the bejeezus out of me if I were American. Especially the database correlation project.

Can you expand on that, mobo85? 'Cos I think the argument that it’s just a coincidence simply because only one member of the comittee was a Mason doesn’t necessarily hold water.

An eye wasn’t the first choice for the Seal. William Barton’s blazon, or written description, of his Seal design originally read “A pyramid of thirteen Strata and on the summit of it a Palm Tree, proper.”

And according to The Eagle and the Shield: A History of the Great Seal of the United States, published in 1976 by the U.S. Department of State,

Also, according to the Masonic Service Assoc. of the U.S., the Freemasons have never used an unfinished pyramid as a symbol. An eye, yes. A pyramid, no.

If you want a description of the meaning of the seal and many other symbols, read The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell.

Personally, I’m against adopting symbols that Joe Sixpack would understand. Instead, maybe we should educate ole Joe. :wink:

Well, for the love of Pete.

http://freemasonry.hrshadows.com/library/misca-e/eyeandthepyramid.txt

Good shootin’, mobo. Thanks. Anyone got anything to the contrary?

Ok then. Granted the inaccurate thread title and my egregious assumptions in the OP, I think a question remains:

Just how creepy is the IAO?
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The Master Speaks.

Whatever else, I think it demonstrates that someone in our government has a marvelously manipulative sense of humor.

regarding the IAO seal: Someone at DARPA must have been leafing through a copy of the Book of the SubGenius. Goodness. What will Jack Chick think of this.

As to the obverse-and-reverse of the Great Seal, it’s kinda quaint, really. (Though used to wonder how come a seal had an obverse-and-reverse. After all, you imprint it ON the surface of the sealing wax or the paper itself). Anyway just the side with the Arms of the US (the more familiar device of the escutcheon of the colors of the US, on the breast of a bald eagle clutching arrows and olive brances, crowned with stars) would be fine.

And I don’t care if they have Barney the Dinosaur on their letterhead, I’d rather have it be more clear what the agency is doing. “Knowledge is Power” indeed…

Yeah, if we could only change the way our symbols look, all our problems could be solved. :rolleyes:

Well I hate to burst your bubble, but the Symbols on the Great Seal (Thus the dollar bill backing), are not Masonic, nor was a Mason on the comittee that drew the Great Seal.

The Comittee that was chosen for the Great Seal, was not Ben Franklin’s.

There were three committees only one “won” the contest, Ben Franklin’s lost miserably with his idea of a Turkey being the nation’s bird.

Reading about how the symbols came to be, and the Latin which is directly taken from Virgil the Poet, and you will see that most of this is just coincidence.

If you want to get creeped out about the masons and the seal check out:

THE ULTIMATE FRONTIER by Eklal Kueshana

RULE BY SECRECY by Jim Marrs

isn’t bad either.

Dal Timgar