"Green Jobs Czar" Van Jones Resigns

Eh hem

Bill O’Reilly on Sept. 4th, 2008. But I’m sure that, for some reason, you wouldn’t count an interview with one of the icons of right-wing media to be “tough questioning”

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I’ll have to ask fort a cite. According to Eva Paterson that’s not so.

When exactly was he hired by this admin? After 2005?

Well, there is that Democratic Senator from W Virginia who was a member of the Klan. So yeah, I guess we’re willing to judge somebody by their more recent words and the actions reflecting them.

Beck confesses to being a reformed alcoholic and I’m willing to take him at his word until I see evidence to the contrary. What I judge him on is his eagerness to distort the facts while touting the importance of facts.

I have a lot of sympathy for people who have overcome chemical dependence, some of the finest people I’ve known have been tempered in that.

But sometimes a very bad person gives up a crippling vice and only succeeds in becoming a worse person, one without the hindrance that limited thier capacity to do evil.

Yes indeed. When the Weathermen were bombing, Obama was 9 or 10 years old and living in Hawaii. He was probably a pen pal with Ayres then. How he got away with long distance palling around with radicals, i will never know.

Your defense is that he wasn’t hanging around with them at the time they were doing the bombing.

You may want to think about that.

Hahaha. You have to be kidding. Politicians are only forgiven for their past sins if they are on the left. Don’t you remember David Duke? How about Strom Thurmond? For some reason you leftists think that, if you are a Dem, all your past transgressions are forgiven simply because they are on the left. If, on the other hand, you are on the right, you are hiding your true beliefs. I mean…C’mon!

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Haha…don’t you remember David Duke? Or how about Strom Thurmond? You Leftists are always willing to forgive anything said by a Lib. But if someone on the right says ANYTHING racist then, well, they must mean it. I mean…C’mon!

Except that he then went on to contrast them with Obama by saying “Obama’s not an asshole.”

It would be difficult to try to claim you meant Republicans are savvy fighters when in the next breath you are contrasting that assholiness with your guy.

Yeah, pretty much like hurling “socialist” as an epithet or lies such as “death panels.” There is such a deep desire to discuss issues and engage other viewpoints among the authors of such blather.

If someone has evidence that Jones actively worked toward the overthrow of the government, it would be interesting to see. Otherwise, it has no more bearing on the job he was doing for the last couple of months than accusations of racism or Klan membership or any of the other slurs that get hurled at people for actions or beliefs dating back to their college years or some other earlier time.

The difference is that Strom Thurmond never fully renounced his segregationist viewpoint, unlike Robert Byrd. Instead, he continually just tried to play apologist for it by saying it was a states’ rights issue at the time. David Duke continues to support “voluntary” racial segregation and white separatism. Again, unlike Robert Byrd.

See, if the people who committed the past transgressions don’t actually renounce and seek forgiveness for their past transgressions, they generally don’t get forgiven. And that’s regardless of political affiliations.

If you’re looking for politicians or political figures on the right who have apparently been forgiven for past sins, look no further than Richard Nixon. In his last few years, he was somehow looked upon as an elder statesmen by both Republicans and Democrats alike. As for non-politicians (but political figures), Iran-Contra seems to be in Oliver North’s distant past, just like Watergate is for G. Gordon Liddy.

The point is that Ayers himself was long removed from those actions when he met Obama and their association had nothing to do with Ayers distant past.

Oh my God he palled around with a guy who did something we can call terrorism over 30 freakin’ years ago. Let’s try to make it relevant. How’d that work out?

Um,… yeah good point :rolleyes: I’m just not sure what the hell it is.

Duke first ran for office as a Democrat and lost. When he ran as a republican in 92 it was the republicans that tried to block him.
Strom won as a Democrat but served as a Republican after he switched parties in 64.

You’re surprised that a man who’s career was launched out of the living room of a Communist/una-bomber would hire another communist? Jones was a Liberal Arts Major/Lawyer with no industry background at all and he was the Green Jobs Czar.

When I see tax dodgers and communists in Obama’s inner circle I have to wonder if he should think in terms of creating a Vetting Czar.

Good riddance to Comrade Jones.

I thought of that. It would be difficult but not impossible within the context of the question. He could explain that Obama is hoping to actually persuade politicians rather than merely using political pressure.

I like the chicken little quality of how communist and communism is being thrown around.

It’s as if social change and community organizer were code words for Satan’s spawn.
Does it seem impossible for you for people who are passionate about social justice and actively working to make society better might change their youthful more revolutionary stance to something more realistic and useful?

How many people could actually hold office if we scrutinized their lives in such an unrealistic manner?

This absolutely amazes me. Conflicts with the founding of the country? Wasn’t the founding of the US all about freedom? Shouldn’t someone have the right to their own political views?

How can being a communist be against the founding of the country when communism itself was born long after the US became an independent nation?

Your first paragraph asks legitimate questions. The answer is that communism is in direct and irredeemable conflict with personal freedom. It makes a mockery of “…they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”

You’re second paragraph is simply absurd. Think about it.

So was Nazism. Would you like to have a Nazi in the American government? How about an apartheid segregationist? Is there ANY political philosophy you’d say was incompatible with the principles the U.S. was founded on?

Communism has caused more misery than any ideology in history. It holds as basic tenets that individuals do not have rights, and that relationships between humans are all part of a large class struggle. Communists would strip everyone of their property rights, seize the means of production from private individuals, and control the lives of the population from a central authority. Communism in practice is totalitarian.

I would seriously question the morals, judgment, and fitness to hold office of anyone who seriously believed in Communism as the correct form of government.

It makes a lot more sense than the ridiculous libertarian claim that all rights derive from property.