Grenfell Tower fire (London)

Reading that made me feel sick. Hopefully they moved :frowning:

The Guardian has started a list of missing people and those confirmed dead. Where possible they have included pictures.

Please be aware that severe emotional reactions are possible when perusing this list. That was my experience, anyway (and no, I don’t know anyone who lived there).

I have to give the Guardian a lot of credit; I think they are doing a fantastic job of covering this story and have from the start. Their dedication to documenting every detail is amazing.

Yeah, i looked through those lists after my mother emailed me. None of the people listed is my aunt or my cousin.

Her mental health problems include bouts of paranoia, where she is convinced that government agents are spying on her, or something similar. As a result, when she’s not in institutions, she often moves without telling anyone, and does her best not to be found. My mother and i both think that this is the more likely scenario here.

The problem, if she is among the missing, is that it would be very difficult to know, because she often does her best to avoid other people, including friends and family. On the occasions where my mother has been able to track her down over the past five or ten years, it has often taken a lot of sleuthing, only to have her sister do everything possible to avoid any direct communication, and then disappear again.

I haven’t had any contact with her since i was in my early teens, and i don’t think that mum has seen her face-to-face since then either. She lost her as a sister a long time ago; i think she tries to check up on her now more out of a sense of duty than anything else.

2.00pm is the first protest of the day - outside Downing Street.
Did folks see Emily Matliss almost lose it with Theresa May last night.

8-minute version: Emily Maitlis quizzes Theresa May on Grenfell Tower - FULL BBC Newsnight interview - YouTube

The Queen’s low key trip has impressed a lot of people.

It must have reminded her of the bombed out buildings during The Blitz.

https://www.google.com/amp/news.sky.com/story/amp/the-queen-meets-victims-of-grenfell-tower-fire-at-refuge-centre-10917388

Then I’m sure you’ll have no trouble fighting my ignorance and listing them.

Quartz

Follow the link

https://worksmart.org.uk/health-advice/health-and-safety/employer-duties/what-six-pack
The management of Health & Safety At Work (MHASAWA)and the Provision and Use of Work Equipment regulations - (PUWER)

These cover the inspection and testing of equipment and installations along with keeping records

The next act was the Fire Regulatory Reform Act

The conversion work on these flats falls squarely under these regulations, specifically the guide on sleeping accommodation.

You well know that virtually all of our safety laws emanate from the EU in the form of directives, and in your case there really is not an excuse, you damn well know it.

Is it too great a stretch to imagine that the legislation that covers this block of flats is also derived via EU rules?

Here is the official line on EU directives, and you can search for the exact one you wish

https://osha.europa.eu/en/search/directives?filter=safety&filter-title=&f[0]=&=Search

I hope you find her and she is safe.

So that’s what an angry Emily Maitlis looks like.

The cartoon in today’s Times is brutal:

Actually, I didn’t. Thank you for the links, but on first glance many of them seem to be about health & safety at work, not about buildings themselves.

This one actually specifically excludes private dwellings, so there’s no reason for me to have seen it.

[58 confirmed or presumed dead now.

](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BRITAIN_LONDON_FIRE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-17-13-39-22)

Say what will you about the usefulness of royalty but when shit goes to hell, the Queen shows up to try to make people feel better in her own way. She’s willing to look bad things in the face and call it like it is.

Why did they clad it in the first place?

For purely cosmetic reasons: apparently the blocks were eyesores and offended the sensibilities of others living in the community.

Death toll of 100+ sounds plausible. Maybe even 200?

It was part of a general refurb of the building. Cladding helps with insulation.

I’ve thought the same thing all along. :frowning:

I noted that they also replaced the old solid steel windows with new vinyl windows. Guess what melted when the blowtorch went by and let in the flames?

…you want me to do the legwork to prove **your **point? You cherry picked. I said “cherry-picking a few random things that happened over 20 years ago isn’t going to waive away the last few years of austerity.” And it isn’t. The claim was that “The way Tories relentlessly’cut red tape’ in their self-interest as landlords” is not disproved by a handful of regulations introduced decades before Former Prime Minister David Cameron said that a Conservative government would: ‘Kill off the health and safety culture for good’.