I would definitely create a new one.
How’s Yad Vashem in comparison?
The heap of dirt surrounded by a round cement skylight is terrible. Raze it. It’s Stalinist “manure”.
Raze the entire camp. Create something peaceful that would unite Jews and Poles as well as others. To honor and remember all victims.
I’m no sculptor. Or does it take an architect?
My Jewish roots are genuine. Reichman & Bernstein. Adamkiewicz & Jacobson.
But my mother was Polish. A Catholic.
My granny on my father’s side was also Polish and Catholic.
I’m not anti-Semitic.
I don’t know any Jews though. I met a couple of them in my life and both were sleazy underworld types. They hurt me.
I oppose ANTI-POLONISM and Israel and the Jewish people spew lots of hate toward Poland and its nation.
Like saying recently that the Poles in the majority harmed the Jews during the Holocaust.
Lots of bull…
Regarding those books your great-grandfather wrote, were they copyrighted? Who held the copyright? How long ago was this? Because if it was long enough ago, the books may be in the public domain.
And, of course, millions of people lost everything in the war. If anything, you’re lucky that your great-grandfather’s achievement is intangible, and therefore can’t really be lost. You should be proud of what he accomplished. (But not too proud, because you can’t claim any credit for any of it.)
Send me yours, please!
Uh-huh - it OPENED in 1940. Who do you think built it? And were you under the illusion that they were there voluntarily?
The camp was built by forced labor performed by Polish conscripts/prisoners. Originally, it was a camp for Poles who opposed the Nazi occupation.
Construction of Auschwitz began in April of 1940. It opened in May of 1940.
Do you know that, among the non-Jews honored at Yad Vashem there are more Polish than any other group? That Yad Veshem also honors Polish resistance groups like Żegota?
Although, if you’re speaking from appearances, the Hall of Remembrance could be described as a square “heap” with a skylight.
The idea behind maintaining the actual camp is that it is actual proof that the horrors it commemorates actually happened. It is evidence of a horrific crime. To raze it would be to erase that evidence. There are still people who deny it happened, if you destroy the evidence it becomes all that much easier to ignore the historical reality.
We have all the rest of the world to turn into a garden to unite people - why destroy the evidence of what happened?
No one doubts you. You don’t have to produce a pedigree. You don’t have to prove anything.
I’m sorry these two Jews hurt you but really, it’s far more likely you know several to many Jews and just don’t realize they’re Jewish.
“Israel” and “the Jewish People” are not the same thing. Less than half of the world’s Jews by the most strict definition of “Jewish” live in Israel, and for broader definitions less than a third.
I think some people who survived the Holocaust in Poland, and their first generation descendants, harbor some resentment or even hatred for Poland, which is somewhat understandable given their experience of Poland in that time period was “everyone in charge at this camp seems to be trying to kill me”. Outside of that group? I think a lot of Jewish people simply don’t have an opinion. Some of your angst seems to be that people either don’t know or don’t care what happened to Polish people during the war. Honestly, some really don’t care, but you’re never going to reach everyone.
WHO said that? Do you have a name?
I may have to correct my sources, then… if you can provide a cite.
It’s age related angst. Now the past is soooooo important.
My grandfather suffered from angst. I think they say anxiety now.
Who said the majority of Poles harmed the Jews during the Holocaust? A certain Mr. Bennet in Israel.
Only about one month ago.
Here are your sites, but let me point out first that all this information is publicly available, not hard to find, and I find it obnoxious in the extreme that you’ve obviously done no research on this topic, yet insist that I provide sources to information that’s absurdly easy for you get.
https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/auschwitz_architecture/overview.asp
http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/beginnings/
http://www.wollheim-memorial.de/en/auschwitz_bunamonowitz
Would you like more?
Ah.
Naftali Bennett, Education Minister, who, with others, objected to Bibi’s signing on to Poland’s claim that the Polish nation as a whole bore no culpability for its complicity in the crimes of the Holocaust (and in fact criminalizing stating such, backed down from as part of the agreed statement).
The joint statementincluded this:
No, not saying that “the majority of Poles harmed the Jews during the Holocaust” but disputing the false narrative that more actively fought against the crimes than were complicit with them and that many more just looked away. Complicity and cooperation with the Nazis by Poles was widespread; resistance against it was infrequent. That is simply history. Bibi’s glib revisionism as political expediency was disgusting.
Well that’s too bad. My great-grandparents came to the US separately, in different years, he a twenty-five year old laborer and she his 15-year-old intended bride. They settled in a city just north of Boston with thousands of other Polish immigrants, and I believe it still manages to be a third or a quarter Jewish these days and still has remnants of Polish culture.
Meaning from this POV the Polish Jews are not a separate people. They look the same, have a common language and country of origin and have funny names like Wosniewicz and Dudelczak, and they’re over here hanging with a bunch of Catholics…how Polish is that.
This is, seriously, a story that does not begin with the construction of death camps, or with religious differences, but at the start of the process where the majority is persuaded, enticed, threatened, routinely killed, and/or oppressed into making the wholesale destruction of a minority the law of the land. It would have a lot of chapters and the people involved are going to be some of the very worst and very best people, in numbers that will never be true numbers because so much is missing. That’s painful, but still a lesser tragedy. IMO.
I could indeed have looked up the information myself. No problem. After all I know all of this already. And this info is readily available. As you say.
But I’ve got a bad memory ever since getting brain washed and cleansed by psychosis. It’s not an experience I could like anybody to have.
Some schizophrenics claim their experience is caused by a different energy. Unknown in the West. But part of the Eastern way of life.
I’m not Russian Orthodox and I don’t believe in energy. God’s that is.
The point is Auschwitz or Auschwitz 1 as it later got named is where the mass murder of Poles started. In a facility’s context. The camp that got built in 1940 is Treblinka. Later they named the complex Auschwitz 1, 2 and 3.
I think there’s an extra camp.
So, where were almost 3 million Polish victims sent and killed? The answer everybody ignores is Treblinka.
Well before the Jewish victims arrived.
There’s a political cover-up of the facts.
There’s tragic kinds of opportunism of the Poles in relationship with Israel and the Jewish community.
That’s corrupt by the way.
Also in relationship to the USA and England.
There’s a grotesque heap of dirt under a skylight to remember the victims by…
There is no day of Remembrance.
There is zero.
And the Stalinistic idea we’re manure destined for a world revolution, a basic tenet of Communism, still exists. I’ve been called manure by people in Canada.
They adhered to the Yalta accord. And so forth.
There’s an underlying materialistic ideology in people’s minds that’s Marxist.
I am all for a classless society.
But I’m worried for the rulers in the past and their fate. Poland had classes or even castes prior to WW2.
Workers were kept alive in both Nazis and Soviets plans. To be enslaved. As proven by the communist system that ensued after the war.
MILLIONS of bourgeois and so forth well-to-do farmers, big land owners, capitalist, intellectuals,
Aristocrats + their families, THE RICH were exterminated by both regimes.
Communism designs to rid the world of its Richest inhabitants to this day.
Beware of the Communist party of Canada for example.
The old class or caste that was in power has been wiped out. You may find my great-grandfather strange but he was an intellectual.
You can google him, Albert Adamkiewicz.
My family lost everything.
And we still get treated as manure.
Outrageous. Irresponsible. Unacceptable.
Treblinka was built in 1942 as part of Operation Reinhard. It was north of Warsaw and has nothing to do with Auschwitz.
The death camp established at Auschwitz was Birkenau, sometimes called Auschwitz II, which opened in 1942. About 2 million non Jewish Poles (as well as 3 million Jewish Poles)
were killed over the course of the occupation, but they weren’t all killed together in one place.
Anyway.
My condolences for your family tragedy. Yes, Poles, and in particular Polish intellectuals and religious leaders, were targeted by the Nazis as well. They deserve to be remembered. There’s a good review on the United States Holocaust Museum site.
It was grotesque, and while not an effort to eliminate Poles as perceived racial group, it was, as above, a concerted effort to eliminate Polish culture by use of mass murder and terror on a large scale. It is also estimated that about a fourth of the European Roma population was killed during the war as well.
Of course you are right. Birkenau or Auschwitz 2.
But the fact almost 3 million Poles were murdered is still ignored or part of a cover-up. Just considering the Marxist angle, the Jewish supremacy in death, the type of treasonous peace we’d got after the war.
Opportunism in Poland that’s rampant today. And a Conspiracy of silence.
Ad nauseam.
No. Not together.
The Jews arrived at the camp much later.
You’re an ass.
It’s not covered up. Not only are the facts out there for anyone able to use Google, even institutions dedicated mainly to the Jewish victims still acknowledge the non-Jewish Polish killed and, in Yad Vashem, honor those Polish who died trying to protect others from the Nazis.
No cover up.
It is becoming quite clear that you will NEVER be satisfied. Well… I’m sorry. That’s why it’s a crime and a tragedy. Nothing is going to bring those people back to life and nothing will truly compensate for their loss. That’s why crime is called an “injustice”. It’s not just.
So did the Gypsies/Roma, Soviet prisoners of war, and pretty much everyone else. Why are you focusing on the Jews and not mentioning any of the others?
I’m confused as to what Yalta has to do with calling Poles “manure”.
I’m not an ass though it’s arguable.
By Yalta I mean the west especially the USA and England reaching an agreement that’s detrimental to Poland which had to endure the Soviets and the communists for over 50 years after the war.
Poland wasn’t liberated by the Soviets. The Russians targeted the Rich first of all. There are 5 million dead Poles who are forgotten and manure from the Stalinist perspective. Manure and fertilizer are part of Stalinist vocabulary. The idea is manure for the world revolution. A basic tenet of communism.
People like my parents and me were called manure too.
They survived the war but belonged to the class of persons who were mainly targeted by both Germans and Russians. Poland wasn’t a classless society before the war.
Yalta, to me, perpetuated the injustice.
Are you naive?
Poland does not honor its dead because there’s a world revolution underfoot.
It just means lots of corruption and opportunism.
With a view on the past.
We could never get anything returned. And my great-grandfather’s books are an example of property.
He died in 1921. So my grandfather’s property is in question. He lost everything and never had anything returned.
No compensation.
I know about other victims than Poles and Jews.
I focused on the Jews, because they hate Poland and its nation.
I’ve got Jewish roots; my mother wasn’t Jewish.