You are right dear sir.
I would have preferred saying woman 18 years old with 3 girls ages 3 to 5 and a baby.
Anyway. I’m no expert on the sweet Hassidim. They keep us moderately busy with news about their separate lives and traditions which clash with our secular society on occasion.
Montreal is a world apart although American exports are crushing so we dress up like Americans and eat lots of American food. Drive American Cars. And listen to American music. A lot.
Good luck to all.
May the Hassidim live in peace.
It might shock mrka to know that home schooling by parents of various orthodox/evangelical religious persuasions is relatively common in the U.S., and there’s reason to question the quality of education provided to children in some of those instances.
In the case mrka is apparently citing, two former Hassidic Jews are suing not only Hassidic schools/organizations, but the school board and attorney general (representing the education department in Quebec) over the allegedly deficient education they received, holding officials responsible for not enforcing curriculum standards.
As in the U.S., a substantial proportion of home schooling parents belong to fundamentalist (or non-fundamentalist) Christian religions, so it’s hardly an exclusively “Hassidic” thing.
This might be hard to accept for anyone as fascinated with/repelled by/obsessed with Da Jews as mrka is.
Yes. Yes. Yes. I have no “warm feelings” for anti-Semites, “deniers” or Nazis. “Neo” or otherwise.
I’m not an expert on Jewish religion, fundamentalist or no.
I’m just a bit hypnotized by Israel and the Jewish nation which includes the Hassidic people.
I can’t name a single rabbi and subset of these people.
The hypnotic effect is caused by the fact I’m part Jewish but never had any real contact with the Jewish community.
I’m attracted to it.
But I’ve also been hurt by a few Jews in my life.
And my mother is Polish Catholic.
There being a conflict between Poland and Israel about all sorts of painful things. The Jewish people have my attention.
I am for Poland admitting guilt in relationship to the part it played in the Holocaust.
I get called an uneducated troll by Poles on YouTube. After I’d posted a comment about it to a video.
Lots of Poles hate the Jews DA JEWS and lots of Jews hate Poland. Dah Poles.
Israel and Poland recently reached an agreement concerning Anti-Polonism and so forth.
As you can see, I’m stuck in the middle.
I’m not obsessed or repelled or an anti-Semite.
Just fascinated to an extent and admittedly shocked a little by how young Jewish or rather Hassidic mothers look to me.
Hate isn’t the solution, it’s wrong.
I think that a lot of people are hooked on the Jewish people. The Hassidim Other traditional minorities
It pains me a bit to feel I’m under the microscope because of the few drops of Jewish blood I have.
It makes me insecure.
My Jewish background exists on my father’s side of the family and we’ve been called crypto Jews for example.
By the Polish far-right.
Maybe it explains why I suffer from chronic depression and anxiety.
It’s popular in alt-right circles to denigrate the Jews, and it isn’t a matter of religious differences. A few drops of Jewish blood would matter to these people. A separate memorial acknowledging the non-Jewish Poles, specifically, as victims would matter to them. But to normal people, Poles are Poles - it doesn’t matter how they worship. You’ve touched on some of the alt-right arguments here, whether you know this or not, and ascribed these political/ideological/nationalist beliefs to religious differences when there’s no reason for it. It’s not that there hasn’t been historic animosity between Jews and Catholics, it’s that the greater contributing factor here is the surging white nationalism all over Europe and elsewhere.
So be mindful of that when you’re spending time in the cesspools of YouTube comments…most people do not know or care what the Polish far-right thinks of anything and have not granted it any authority. Neither should you.
I socialize regularly with the local Jewish community in my area and I can’t name a single Hassidic rabbi, either. I don’t see why you’d be expected to know something like that.
Again, I think you may know more Jews than you think you do - most Jews look like everyone else, and for the most part act the same. They don’t dress “funny”. They speak the local language. They blend in.
My mother started as a German/Irish Catholic, although later in life she described herself as atheist.
You focus so strongly on the negatives - what about the Catholic Polish that risked their lives (and those who died) trying to protect their Jewish Polish neighbors? Plenty of Jews either have no opinion on Poland or like Poland.
Isn’t that a good thing?
I question the validity of that statement.
Keep in mind a few things:
Hassidim have different dress customs than the mainstream. Their women are not interested in employing make up and dress that makes them look older or more sophisticated.
And it’s been a custom pretty much everywhere for older daughters to take care of younger children. So yes, you can get a 12 year old pushing a baby stroller but she’s not the mother, she’s the older sister. This is COMMON both worldwide and historically. I don’t know why you find it so improbable. Historically, it’s how young girls were trained in childcare, by helping to care for their younger siblings and other relatives.
Hassidim do tend to marry as young as the law allows - 16 or 17 is not uncommon (that used to be a typical marriage age for everyone). They also tend to not use birth control, so children coming 18-24 months apart is not an unusual situation. So… marriage at 16, a kid at 17, 19, 21… Again, this used to be the norm for just about everyone.
Yes, well, the alt-right/nazi types do feel those few drops make you “contaminated”. I suggest you avoid such people and spend your time with people who don’t care about that.
The Polish far-right, like the far-right everywhere, are a bunch of hateful assholes. Don’t let them define who you are.
I doubt it. Most of us “hybrids” are not suffering from that.
That hybrid problem can get messy. I’m an example of that.
Being part Jewish fills me with joy. But, at the same time, with the feeling of being torn apart.
It’s how I was brought up.
My mother loved Jews. She loved her husband.
Ironically, my father would teach us to behave like crypto Jews. He never denied having Jewish ancestry. And he probably didn’t understand that being called a crypto Jew is racist. The irony is he called himself a crypto Jew because his own father got called that by certain Poles.
Whereas this problem is much simpler. My mother (his wife) isn’t Jewish therefore I’m not a Jew.
Being a hybrid or just having Jewish roots doesn’t have to be covered up.
However, I never enjoyed having them except when the museum of history of the Polish Jews POLIN in Warsaw, Poland, helped me find my family tree dating back to the 18th century.
It was fun to discover who my ancestors were.
The effects of The Holocaust are unclear where my relatives are concerned.
Negative, most probably.
So much for fun.
I’m related to Ludwik Rajchman who’s the founder of Unicef. That’s sort of fun.
According to Orthodox and Conservative Jews, no, but they aren’t the only people the world. Many, if not most, people outside of Judaism would in fact consider you part Jewish, and therein lies some of the trouble - you are just as likely to be subjected to antisemitism as an actual Jewish person.
Among Reform Jews you might actually be considered “Jewish enough”.
I’m in a bit of a limbo - it’s not known if my mother completed her conversion to Judaism. I may or may not be a “real Jew”. A Schrodinger’s Jew, both Jewish and Gentile at the same time. Fortunately, the local Jewish community does not seem to care - they welcome me whether they consider me “one of them” or “a close cousin”.
It certainly shouldn’t be.
On one occasion I was asked why I hyphenated my name when I married - I could have just dropped my maiden name, taken just my spouse’s very Anglo-Saxon surname, and “passed”. Yes, I could have. But I wanted to keep that connection to my ancestry. It’s part of who I am and I didn’t want to hide it.
Mine, too - any that didn’t leave Europe by 1939 simply disappear from the record. We just don’t know. We likely will never know. Given where they lived, at least some probably wound up at Auschwitz and their remains are in the ashpiles and mass graves but we’ll never know for sure. Only God knows for sure, and God hasn’t seen fit to share that knowledge with the rest of us.
My great-great-grandparents were into Reform Judaism. My great-grandfather’s name is Henryk Reychman/Reichman/Rajchman.
He actually participated financially to building the first Reform Judaism Synagogue in Poland. It was in Warsaw, the capital of Poland.
He also gave the synagogue called the great synagogue its giant gold sphere that was placed on its summit. It contained the plans of the synagogue.
He had 7 daughters with his wife who’s maiden name is Róża Bernstein. My great-grandmother’s name was Adel Kazimera/Kazimiera, she was married to Albert Adamkiewicz who discovered an artery that bears his name. It can be googled. One of her sisters married the swiss baron Hans Pfyffer von Altishofen who was president of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel company.
But, that’s not a RANT. If it was, I’d be complaining about such unsubtle things as my lack of a career.
I do blame WW2 partly for it. Because the war had a tremendous negative effect on my family.
I’m born in 1957 and my childhood was still affected by the war’s aftershocks years later.
I was soooooo mixed-up as a youth. Just saying being the child of immigrants wasn’t rosy.
Although we don’t pursue happiness in Canada, being unhappy and depressed shouldn’t be the norm.
Now that’s a rant.
I’m satisfied.
Your story, broomstick, I have found interesting. Good luck.
No warm comradely love for Dorise Nielsen? Granted, she ran as a Unity candidate in 1940, but it was a CPC front, and once elected, she declared herself a member of the Labor Progressive Party, the name the CPC used and the party Fred Rose–the comrade you note above–ran for. She was the 3rd woman elected to parliament and the first Communist.
Kropotkine that’s hilarious. I sense a hidden rant about communism in Canada.
I’m anti-communist.
The Communist party projects to kill thousands upon thousands of bourgeois, looting them and enslaving workers.
Ok. Bourgeois may be outdated.
The new bourgeoisie?
Beware of this party.
It ought to be illegal.
I can’t roast it much longer and I thought it was done.
But I can see fresh new posters or flyers calling for the world revolution which is part of its program.
People like me and 4 million forgotten Polish victims of the Nazis during the war, for example, are Stalinistic manure for these communist.
I don’t like it.
I may be speaking out of turn here (and not really sure if this post has any meaning at this stage of the thread)…
I think a monument that is erected to remind us of something horrible should be ugly. It should evoke feelings of disgust, despair, hopelessness maybe - at least, when the horrible thing was something perpetrated by humans quite deliberately.
Well, I think that what’s needed is a beautiful monument. To celebrate life and honour the dead.
Speaking about Polish achievements in this regard, the Katyń memoriał, the statue in Jersey city is another example of insensitivity and ugliness.
It’s worrisome.
This statue is so horrific it may only become an attraction for callous people.
It’s a real joke.
It’s neither romantic or anything. Its creator must’ve had no idea what he was doing and the statue is so shallow and ugly, it hurts.
It makes me uncomfortable - and I think that’s exactly how I should feel, when I think about an atrocity.
We need to remain disturbed by, and uncomfortable about, the horrific actions carried out by human people in the past - that revulsion should spur us on to aspire to do better ourselves.
I think it’s true that victims and their families need something that comforts, celebrates and honours the dead. The rest of us - the onlookers - need to be kept uncomfortable.
Well again, I’m thinking that your idea is really new.
Will it hold its ground?
I’ve visited many monuments and I can only remember scary ones from the Pagan dark ages such as the Roman one. Or from communism which is state atheism.
Can you give an example of an ugly, scary monument?
The one from Jersey city which is called the Katyń memoriał is only a lonesome statue that’s guaranteed to make you uncomfortable.
To me personally it is a recent representation of the new horrific trend you’ve mentioned.
As if it were becoming reality.
Where do you get your ideas from?
Rant. Roasted.
I don’t think it’s a new idea - I think it flows from the notion that George Santayana aptly voiced as “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” - and I doubt he would have been the first person to think that.
I had not seen the Katyń memoriał before you mentioned it - yes, it makes me uncomfortable, and I think that is exactly right and proper.
I should not feel comfortable about the brutal massacre of tens of thousands of human beings - nothing should ever make me OK with that. I should remain disgusted and disturbed by it.
The chances are that my individual comfort or disgust, will make no real difference to the world - I’m just one guy - but as a matter of principle, I feel like we, as a species, are less likely to blunder into committing these atrocities in the future, if we somehow feel hurt by the past examples of it.
I believe that there’s something inherently wrong with repetitiveness.
Learning from the past will still not shield us from making mistakes again.
Whether the same OR NEW.
It’s primordial to stop repeating absolutely anything such as idiomatic expressions and stop being parrots.
I think that repeating is not a trait of the genius. Anybody who respects him or her self would avoid repeating like hellfire.
Things repeat themselves nonetheless and people, even geniuses of course, use it to their advantage.
Why does history do anything to help us not to repeat things like atrocities from it?
I don’t know since repeating is climactic.
And smart persons avoid copycat carbon copy identical repetitiveness anyway?
We therefore do two things at the same time. We REPEAT as it’s the course of nature to and we desire to break free of the mold every single time.
Originality doesn’t escape the unhealthiest mind.
Not many people would enjoy boring monotonous things that go on in circles. Try going to church every Sunday for a year but the congregation is never into the same stuff.
Ugly and scary to deter?
I don’t believe it. Slasher movies don’t deter killers.
Let’s celebrate life and remember the dead as they were before tragedy befell them.
I don’t know if you intended to do so ironically, but you repeated yourself quite a lot in this post.
And he’ll continue to fixate and perseverate the longer this thread goes on.