But what the government and the news agencies and those conspirators in the buildings forgot was that 875 tourists and residents in New Jersey and New York had their cellphones, videocams and cameras out as the first plane went into the first tower. And when the second plane went into the second tower, 858,956 people were recording the tragedy. The government has not yet been able to locate and doctor all of the photos – as you can see from the links in the OP. But we’re working on it. Keep tapping.
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Video 1 claims that two separate videos of the plane hitting WTC 2 were blacked out just about the time the “missile” hit and a superfast digital editor “painted” the planes onto the selection that was then broadcast to the public–despite the fact that the “editor(s)” had to intercept live feeds, one from a building and one from a helicopter, match the digital imagery exactly where it would be needed, regardless of the probably random positions of the camers, and then the video was released to the gullible public. (Hence my choice to show three separate views of a real plane hitting the building.)
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That variant of the CT just surprises me. How many thousands of people saw it happen live from New York or New Jersey? All the CT would have to do is buy a ticket to New York and walk the streets for fifteen minutes to establish that, yes, dozens of people he could accost had seen it with their own eyes. Or are all the salarymen and bicycle messengers and cabdrivers of Manhattan also in on the conspiracy?
I can’t disprove at the moment that there were high explosives stashed in the building that were used to “demolish” it after the planes crashed (I don’t believe this, but I can’t disprove it). But this is just silly to anyone who has been to the Tri-State area or known anyone who lived there.
But I guess the point is that people who could believe this probably don’t travel much and may not know people in the big cities. Just as I’ve never understood the continued viability of the flat Earth people, thinking “how could they have been in an airplane and come to that conclusion?” I have to remind myself — well, maybe they haven’t.
Hello, people, another drive-by. Elvis (our guest) has left the building.
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This has actually been an open secret in the New York/New Jersey area for some time now. I’m surprised it took this long for the news to spread to the Internet.
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I suspect David Copperfield is in on the conspiracy.
That’s not the reason for the cover up though. It’s the fact that Bush flew one of the planes.
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That’s not the reason for the cover up though. It’s the fact that Bush flew one of the planes.
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So that’s why he’s brain dead.
Belief in the “groundbreaking” information in these videos is a function of either limited intelligence or paranoic tendencies. Neither is likely to be improved by providing refutation.
The truly mentally challenged love CTs because it allows them to feel special–in possession of information that everyone else doesn’t understand. The paranoid are…well, paranoid. The need to believe special secret information is part of who they are.
Most CTs have paranoic personalities as the originators and are given legs by the cruel fact that half the population has an IQ under 100.
Best to thank the OP and let him continue to feel special.
Do any of these videos give alternate explanations of what happened to the people on the planes? I mean, I have a high school friend whose father really did get on a plane that morning. He really did never come home. There really is a cell message in which a passenger on his doomed flight says that his throat was slit by the hijackers (one of the first things they did to take over the plane). What’s the explanation? They found his body in the wreckage. How did it get where it was if not by plane?
At the OP’s request, I have watched the first and last videos and I have to tell you, I liked them better the first time I saw them when they were called “Loose Change”.
I find it deliciously ironic that the final words on the last video are “Let Reason Prevail.”
You will all note that the OP has obviously fled the building (shocking I know) after simply doing a drive by.
Why these folks keep coming HERE to get the shit kicked out of them when there has to be plenty of message boards of wide eyed fools ready to lap it up is beyond me…
-XT
(P.S. For laughs I skimmed the links, watching a bit here and a bit there…this one is actually worse than the usual CT 9/11 drivel. Its only worth looking at for the entertainment value of spewing your coke at your screen every few minutes…IMHO anyway)
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… Why these folks keep coming HERE to get the shit kicked out of them when there has to be plenty of message boards of wide eyed fools ready to lap it up is beyond me…
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<slightly obseqious but generally sincere newbie voice>
Because if they can the pull the wool over - eh, ahem - I mean.. if they can logically persuade the SDMB of the verity of their world-view, then there’s no challenges left.
“Bring on those loafers at the Encyclopedia Britannica! We’ve already got the SDMB watching our back! The fools!”
<end s.o.b.g.s.n. voice>
I did watch the first video. I am not impressed. Not even with their mad graphix skilz.
The argument that you would need superhuman vision to see the Trade Center from Chelsea is just silly. I lived in Chelsea, and you could see the towers quite clearly. In fact, on 9/11, I lived in the Bronx, which is a hell of a lot farther than Chelsea, and I saw the towers quite clearly.
The aren’t even putting any effort into this one.
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I’m sure the families of those on the planes would love to know what happened to their loved ones if the planes never hit the towers. So conspiracy theorists, what happened to the planes?
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This is the single huge gaping hole in any conspiracy which I’ve never seen any nutcase even attempt to explain. I’d love to know if any of them actually do have a story for this subplot.
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This is the single huge gaping hole in any conspiracy which I’ve never seen any nutcase even attempt to explain. I’d love to know if any of them actually do have a story for this subplot.
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They have actually suggested that they passengers and crew were all paid government ageents.
Others, such as Bermas have openly stated that ‘the people are secondary’.
These kooks get off shitting on the graves of victims.
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This is the single huge gaping hole in any conspiracy which I’ve never seen any nutcase even attempt to explain. I’d love to know if any of them actually do have a story for this subplot.
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Child’s play. The ‘passengers’ were all government employee’s of course, as were the pilots. After the ‘event’ the planes were flown to some sooper sekrit, remote Air Force (or better yet CIA) landing strip while things played out. Then, in a twist no fiction author would ever think of (though, come to think of it I’ve seen it at least twice in various books), the ‘passengers’ and ‘pilots’ boarded the aircraft again to ‘move it to another facility’. While enroute however the planes tragically crashed into the deepest part of the ocean with all on board (all 3 planes, mind).
Its the Super Evil Gubberment™ mentality taken to its logical conclusion. By killing off all the folks on the planes and probably everyone else involved on the ground at a low level they have left only a few hundred thousand possible witnesses at this point…so they are obviously in the clear. 
-XT
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Child’s play. The ‘passengers’ were all government employee’s of course, as were the pilots. After the ‘event’ the planes were flown to some sooper sekrit, remote Air Force (or better yet CIA) landing strip while things played out. Then, in a twist no fiction author would ever think of (though, come to think of it I’ve seen it at least twice in various books), the ‘passengers’ and ‘pilots’ boarded the aircraft again to ‘move it to another facility’. While enroute however the planes tragically crashed into the deepest part of the ocean with all on board (all 3 planes, mind).
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You’ve given away the ultimate conclusion of Lost, haven’t you?
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The argument that you would need superhuman vision to see the Trade Center from Chelsea is just silly. I lived in Chelsea, and you could see the towers quite clearly. In fact, on 9/11, I lived in the Bronx, which is a hell of a lot farther than Chelsea, and I saw the towers quite clearly.
The aren’t even putting any effort into this one.
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Mrs. Renaud gave her position as 8th and 16th. That is about 2.4 miles from ground zero. The Statue of Liberty is about 2.2 miles from Ground Zero. Do the idiots actually think that the WTC towers were too far away to be seen from Liberty Island? There is a fairly tall building at 16th and 8th that has an unbstructed view of the towers of lower Manhattan. (Obviously, some towers will obscure other towers, however, from that angle, the WTC towers were pretty much entirely visible above the 15th floors, or so.)
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You’ve given away the ultimate conclusion of Lost, haven’t you?
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OMG!! ABC blew up the buildings to drive ratings! :dubious:
We can definitely rule out FEMA, if FEMA had organized the 9/11 attacks, the hijacked planes would have crashed in midair over the Atlantic.
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OMG!! ABC blew up the buildings to drive ratings! :dubious:
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Geez, you didn’t think those guys on Lost were actors, did you? They’re the passengers of fli…
[Nametag is dragged away from his computer by ABC thugs and deported to the set of an as-yet unscheduled new reality show]