Haven’t seen the movie Enough but I’m guessing the premise is that a woman decides she’s had enough of her husband’s abuse and takes some kick-ass martial ass classes in order to, literally, fight back.
FTR, Billy Campbell was the lead opposite Sela Ward in Once and Again. I’m figuring he’s 6 foot 1 and weighs about 200 pounds.
Is it just my prejudice against women or does anyone else seriously doubt that even a seriously pumped up Jennifer Lopez would stand a chance against Billy Campbell? I’m talking no weapons, just hand to hand, brain to brain kind of combat.
Now had the guy been older, say Robert Redford, I might buy it. But Billy Campbell??? He might not work out but he IS a man in his prime. And he has weight, height, and testosterone on his side.
Do you think any woman, even one of those WWF women, could kick Campbell’s ass in a hand to hand battle? Or am I seriously underestimating women here?
A few years back, I was the prop master on a really bad film Billy Campbell was starring in. He was the nicest, sweetest guy. He was like a little kid; he loved playing with toys, and was obsessed with making paper airplanes. We were filming in this huge airplane hanger, and the floor was just littered with paper airplanes of all kinds. He had this childlike exuberance about him, and I didn’t get the impression that this guy would hurt a fly. So, if we’re talking real life, yeah, I believe Lopez could take him.
Well, I have a black belt in Karate, and spent quite a bit of time sparring with and teaching females.
Sorry, but J.Lo doesn’t have a chance. Even an untrained 200 lb man would have no trouble with a 110 lb woman, no matter how good she is.
This has been tried before. There was a ring fight between a female martial artist (a very good one - she had something like a 4th degree black belt), and an average male boxer. I saw the fight. The guy just basically stood there and let her punch and kick him. He deflected most of the blows, but just absorbed some of the others. Then he hit her once, and she went down and never got up again.
Size matters. Perhaps if the part had been played by Chynna from the WWF it would be a different matter, but Jennifer Lopez is small. And women of the same weight don’t have as much upper body strength, so the differential is even greater.
I saw the movie yesterday. Her trainer emphasized that Billy Campbell’s character (Mitch) was much bigger and much stronger. The way she fought was by staying the hell away from him and hitting his vulnerable areas (face, neck, etc) with quick, unexpected motions. She’d also put on several clunky rings to effectively create brass knuckles.
As Mitch said as he’s bleeding from the nose and picking himself off the floor, “I only have to hit you once and this is all over.” She dodged his hits because she wouldn’t have stood a chance. The one time he caught her, he was choking her against the wall. She used a self-defense trick to break the choke and then punched him.
With equal skill, Billy Campbell would take her easily, but I found the fight at the end of the movie believable because of her skill and his lack of it. I can’t imagine that an untrained person could repeatedly absorb blows to the face, even blows from a woman, and not care.
I saw this yesterday with the Mrs. (it was her weekend to pick the movie), and the final fight scene is well choreographed (throatshot describes it well), but not entirely convincing. Slim trains for about a month for the confrontation. Too little time, too big an advantage for Mitch in size and strength. It’s pure revenge fantasy, with no relation to the real world, but that’s all it’s really supposed to be.
Chynna (Joanie Laurer) was on Celebrity Boxing last week, and got her butt kicked by Joey Buttafucco, a middle-aged man carrying an extra 30-40 pounds of fat.
At the risk of sounding completely obvious, why didn’t she just forego all the training and get a gun? If he came after HER and had been threatening her, killing him would be certainly be a justifiable homicide.
I know, I know, then we’d have no scenes of Jennifer Lopez getting all sweaty.
Oh, man. I have been in love with Campbell since The Rocketeer and I’ve always hoped he’d become, well, if not a star, at least a pretty well-known and well-respected working actor. And now he’s got this big-deal movie out and he plays a monster. cringe
I haven’t seen the movie yet (although I think I will when it comes to the cheap theatres); however, I do martial arts.
If he’s 200 lbs., and she’s 110 lbs., really the only tactics that would be particularly effective are:
surprise - most attackers choose there victims because they look easy - if you surprise your attacker with a show of strength and attitude, you gain precious seconds to go for a vital area. I assume this is a key element – he’s been nasty to her for along time and isn’t expecting her to fight back – no?
speed - if you can get in and get out in a hurry, theoretically you could inflict some damage without being killed
luck - if you got lucky you could do some damage - a well place blow to the chin could render even a big person unconscious - a well placed blow to the base of the nose could render even a big person dead.
All that aside, it sounds a bit far fetched. I spar with a fella in my class that’s about 6’1", 230 lbs. I’m about 5’8", 135 lbs. so I assume the size ratio is comparable to that in the movie. I can punch and kick Bob as much as I want and nothing much happens. Hell, I can kick him in the HEAD and nothing much happens.
He and I have an agreement. If he ever decides to mug me, I’m just going to give him my hand bag and walk away. This is an amenable solution for both of us.
