Guess what? I'm a Nazi!

Ah, stereotypes based on physical appearance can be fun.

The other night I was walking towards a bar (go figure) and on the way I passed a couple of Native guys. After they’d gone past me far enough to ensure that I wasn’t likely to bother turning around one of them said “You fucking Nazi bastard”.

Given that there was nobody else around, I can only assume he was directing the remark at me, and given that I’m a card carrying member of the PC Police and the Professional Offenderati, I can also only assume he was basing the comment on my appearance.

I look, to be blunt, like a wax statue of Mr. Clean that’s been left in strong sunlight. A little more facial hair, a couple more earrings, some Grecian Formula, and you have the picture.

It took me some minutes to stop laughing. Leaving aside my political views, there’s no white racist group in the world that would let me in. Y’see, I’m not white, I’m Metis. In other words, part Native. Mind, no Native group in the world would let me in either, since it’s a really small part. I was on my way to the bar for the sole purpose of hitting on a woman, and there’s not a single part of her that could pass as white. I checked.

It’s things like this that make me wonder what I miss when I look at people and pigeonhole them. I can see it from my own perspective, as a left winger who’s as nonracist as I can be and gets called a Nazi, as a cuddly pleasure sponge who gets hit on by guys looking for a big bad bear to put them in their place, as a bisexual who gets to hear all the homophobic jokes since I’m just one of the boys and as a whole lot of other things that aren’t apparent on the surface.

This one’s in the pit mostly because of the Nazis and the mention of a lot of hot button issues.

What strange things have people assumed about you from the way you look, and have you ever had any fun running that game right back at them? I’m thinking here of standing there in your grimy work clothes and correcting the James Joyce quote for somebody who’s never worked construction and apparently never read the books his English Lit prof assigned, or making sure your tie wasn’t in the way while you hotwired the bobcat so the landscapers could finish the job.

I’m a goth, been a goth since they were Punks gone Romantic (early 90’s). When I got my Senior pictures I got told “You look like a witch”, I guess because of my long hair and my pale ivory skin contrasting with the timeless black knit long sleeve shirt I was wearing.

I was also the “weird art student” and it was in this class that I had some fun on more than one occaision “playing” with some of my classmates. I’d do things like sing They Might Be Giants songs especially “Particle Man” and “We Want a Rock”. (I did it as a form of whistling in the dark, art class was hell for me because I got beaten and my projects destroyed.)

Once I was trying to explain to the teacher about kirlean (sp?) photography because I wanted to imitate that effect in water color. A jock broke into my explanation to ask “So, if you can see auras, what color is mine?” I glanced at him, and for some reason the first thing out of my mouth was “blue”. Fast forward over 10 years to the 10 year class reunion. This guy showed up, and he still remembered that I told him his aura was blue, (which I was startled to note it is, turquise blue).

It was obvious that it really tripped him out, and it would have tripped him out even more if I’d told him I’m now pagan, and that I was absolutely correct. It was enough that I was among largely (count this guy among them) overweight, balding, bitter people who were looking for any flaw in me so they could feel better about themselves. I had fun talking to those who weren’t like this.

I’ve been told by young teens that I CAN’T be over 21, I just don’t look it. (They were my friend’s daughters.) I think it’s maybe because I try my best to be kind and considerate, and not judge. I have fun “messing” with them by remembering things to do with the 90’s.

My husband and our friends have fun by dressing up in all out Gothic style at the local County Fair and Rodeo in mid August. Husband dresses up like a giant undead creature, which is eerie with his very pale jade green eyes, and because he’s tall and slender with very broad shoulders, and a tiny 28 inch waist. (The guys wear all black, boots and trench coats, along with various ornamental chains and spikes etc.) Our friend does his make-up, and jewelry etc. like a demon (with an almost Charlie Chaplinesque walk) and I dress up as the female Vampire. You know, the kind that you want to go and chat up, but at the same time, are afraid of too? I have porcelain skin which I sometimes lighten to almost Geisha pale with talc, and long dark hair, I “Vamp up” with my form fitting black dress, silk thigh high stockings, heeled ankle boots, silver and garnet flower/cross from Thailand, burgundy wine/clotting blood lips, and put my jet black eyeliner on to emphasize my cat eyes, I add a black bow to make the look extra spooky because it gives an edge of innocence and childish youth/vunerability. (This year I’m thinking of going paler pink on the lips, lighter on the eyes, and more innocent, like an undead porcelain child/doll in Woman’s body. I even have a little black panther stuffed animal I’m thinking of carrying.)

Year before last, he even wore a thick chain around his neck and stalked around, letting me lightly hold the end of it. (Beauty holding the Raving beast at bay.) LOL it was pretty funny when he got a turkey leg and was walking to some benches to sit down. The people already parted like the Red Sea, but when they saw him with a big chunk of meat that could easily be a club, some decided they wanted to go to the other end of the fair.

We got all kinds of questions like “Are you Satanists?” and “Are you professional actors?” preen We all did our own make-up so that was high praise indeed. :smiley: (I answered a few questions, like when a spooked child asked if we wanted to hurt her, I crouched down to her level, looked into her eyes, and told her “No, we’re here to have fun just like you are.” We mostly only talked amongst ourselves for the most part, unless we saw some friends.)

We just decided that we wanted to have fun too, and since there are no gothic clubs anywhere near us, we went somewhere Gothed out anyway. We felt “festive”. :smiley:

One time this past winter my husband and I were gothed out, Christmas shopping with his mother and two brothers at an out of town mall. Some people dressed in very trendy goth/glam rocker styles complete with ear plugs intead of just earrings and other sundry peircings came into the mall. They took one look at me, and Mr. Clawbane, and handed us concert leaflets for a concert that night. They completely ignored his middle brother who was right beside him. This really bothered younger brother, he’s 17 and desperately wants to be “cool”. We don’t try to be cool, we just do what feels right to us.

On a not so light hearted note, Mr. Clawbane has had some experiences with people assuming things because of how he looks that are disturbing. He has worn all black every single day, and a trench coat for years now. He has long hair to the bottom of his shoulder blades. People would call the special hotline that the school set up to report that they had seen him with a gun. He was searched on numerous occaisions for weapons, and none were ever found. He never got an apology either.

We’ve been stopped more than once on the doorstep of my apartment building by the police who asked us what we were doing there, despite the key visible in my hand. Once the police man called for backup, and asked us, who we were, where we lived, where we were going, where we had come from, and why we were doing it.

He even called in to the department to see if we had any warrants. (There were none.) A thorough questioning, even though he’d stopped me and Mr. Clawbane the week before and should have remembered I lived in those apartments and was often out and about at night/early morning hours. (It’s a VERY small town.) It’s eased off since I moved, but we still get asked our business every so often. We’ve been told we should have documented it, because it was harassment.

We even got “tailed” around the town in broad daylight a month after 9/11 by a police car. I don’t know what the police man was expecting, we were walking to various stores, and then to get a meal with our friends in tow. By this time, my husband had been wearing his trench coat around the town for years, even in the summer heat. They (the city’s police force) knew him by sight, and knew he had not broken any law.

He’d gotten a ticket, and had to pay a fine for being out past curfew. (The A D&D game lasted longer than anticipated and he had not arranged for a ride home.) That’s a city ordinance though. They took him to the station for several hours too. It made my mother in law so mad, they really had no right to even cuff him and take him in, it was an ordinance not a law. They do that to every teen they catch though, even if they are going to a school extra curricular activity, like swim team practice. (Probably one other reason the police in this town stopped us so often is because we both look quite young.)

I’ll add, I just kind of shrug my shoulders and go on with my life for the most part. I feel that even if I didn’t wear all black, I’d still get singled out at times because I’m a night owl, a free thinker, and a “non-conformist”. (Not just by the police, but by other town citizens, not everyone, but a good number of people around here.) I’m not going to try to be “normal” or “fit in”. I like being myself.

Some day I’ll get out of this small town, and things like this won’t be so frequent hopefully. In any case, these dummies aren’t worth too much of my energy. They “fear” me for some reason I can’t fully grasp, so they are not worth my time. I’ll let them be, and do my best to stay away from them. Although it is fun to spook them a little at times, maybe “socialize” them a bit and broaden their experiences. Hehe. :wink:

Well, I don’t really have any stories that compare to these, but I’m an Orthodox Jew. (Well, I should add a disclaimer here that I’m getting pretty burnt out on Orthodox Judaism, but I still dress like one.) Most people don’t even know why I’m covering my hair or wearing a long skirt, but when they do, they make all sorts of assumptions about me. They assume that I don’t have any sense of humor, that I’ll be shocked that all Jews aren’t Orthodox, that I’ve never socialized outside the Orthodox Jewish community. Most of all they assume that I’ll be easily shocked, I had a gynecologist once who refused to say the word “penis” in front of me. (Don’t get me wrong, I understand people trying to be sensitive to other cultures and not shock people, but sometimes it gets kind of ridiculous).
If anybody actually get close enough to me to talk, they discover that I love anime, Harry Potter, and write fanfiction, but people don’t tend to bother to discover that.
Maybe since I’m getting burnt out anyway I should just give up and dress normally shrug I haven’t made up my mind.

TeaRoses first of all Hugs :slight_smile:

Secondly, do what feels right to you, in your heart, and mind. If it doesn’t feel right to practice Orthodox Judaism, than follow your heart/spirit and do what you feel is right. Don’t quell your instincts, and heart. You were born with them for a reason. You are here to learn, and grow as a person, if you find you’re stagnating then go where you can grow. Go where the Spirit calls you. (I hope what I mean is coming through.)

Take some time to find where you can go where you don’t get that “numb” “burnt out” feeling. I’ve been there, and you can find fertile soil to take root in, just give it time. Take some time for yourself to think and feel, and find where you can thrive. (Believe it or not, I’m managing to grow here despite the “bitter soil”. We’ll go somewhere we can truly thrive once Mr. Clawbane has gotten his career.)

I think you’re one of the few people I’d like to meet, that I’ve encountered online. From your few words you sound like an interesting person all around, thoughtful and articulate. I’ll state, that I’m a bit “prissy” with phrasing things if I’m just meeting the person, until I can “feel out” their comfort levels. It’s a matter of courtesy in my mind.

** TeaRoses** I’ll add, don’t stop dressing differently because you think it will take down any “barriers” that are between you and the rest of the world. I’m not sure that would work out too well. Just be yourself, it’s healthier.

Do take the time to think about what you want in life, what you really want to do, and what you need emotionally. If your needs are not being met, see if you can find a way to meet them. If this involves a change in dress/religious pratice, than I hope for courage for you to accomplish this.

Good Luck…

I’m a sexy son of a bitch and it shows.

Please proceed …

Like Zabali said, I hope you do what’s in your heart. One of my very best friends is Orthodox and I have learned so much from her - she’s invited me over many Friday nights for Shabbat dinner since she strictly observes the Friday sundown to Saturday sundown thing and she’s answered my many questions about Judaism while I’ve answered her many questions about Christianity (although as a doctoral student in Judaism, she knows a lot more than I do). And she may be Orthodox, but we’ve never had any problems discussing the more cough sensitive relationships that a woman may have.

Just do what you feel is right, TeaRoses. Of course, it would be nice if people would learn about religions before judging them, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon unfortunately.

Ava

Yes, yes you are. Indeed, all of your statements are completely true. I feel no need to back away slowly with my palms extended toward you in a non-threatening gesture.

Ya fucking freak.

Well, I don’t have any negative stereotypes that I often receive from my appearance, but with my tall, stiff posture, blue eyes, and light brown hair, people often assume i’m German, enough to go right up and ask me. I’m only %50 German, and so I say so.

(I wonder, if they got to know me, if they would take my awkwardness and native intelligence to mean that I’m Polish, [%25 of me is,] but I guess physical characteristics trump social ones, all of which are pretty much false anyway.)

You meant phreak, didn’t you, j_kat?
:rolleyes:

Hmm, my first impression of j_kat from this thread is that he/she is a jerk.

I think I will stick with that impression.

So have I, but as I recall that was the early 80’s - not the nineties (which might explain the last 20 odd years of my life)

Frequently get: Are you a satanist? Nope, I am not a satanaist or any other form of Christian - and besides my religion or lack of it is no-ones business

You must be evil/violent; hardly - try compassionate and peaceful

You all know the stereotypes. 2trew my sympathies buddy, dealing with bullshit like that is tough, unnecessary and ridiculous.

Ya know, I wonder who it says most about though. Methinks the bigots are the ones throwing the labels around liek confetti

That’s your impression, to keep as you will.

But if “{{{{{{Zabali_Clawbane}}}}}}” ever came near me I’d have to tell her to keep her freakin’ hands off me.

I thought this thread was going to be about 2trew getting a job as a moderator.

Heh. While traveling, I’ve discovered that most Spanish people think I’m Scandinavian, most Dutch people think I’m German, and a surprising number of Americans think I’m Australian (?!?) As far as I know, none of my ancestors were any of the above.

Oh, and quite a few people are shocked to discover that I’m over twenty-one and I know how to swear. Gotta love the wide-eyed innocent thing.

I’m sure Zabali has no particular desire to place her hands on you, Desmo. Sorry to disappoint you.

In my case it was fairly light-hearted - a lot of people would mistake my pentacle for a “Satan star” (answer: “that’s upside down”) or a star of David :confused: (“count the points!”)

I’m also constantly being told I look a lot older than I am. I don’t know when this should start bothering me, but it’s getting there. I believe it’s the beard.

Other cases are not such. Hamish, who is Goth, got a lot of hassling after Columbine. He also used to have a jacket with a German flag on it (it came like that, he got it at an army surplus store), and he was asked if he was a Nazi. It was a post-reunification flag, for Chrissakes!

Evil Ex-Roommate had a shaved head, and was approached a number of times by white supremacist groups. What made it funny is that he was a bisexual, mentally unstable, socialist petty criminal of Jewish and Gypsy descent - if he had been in Germany at the time he would have gotten every triangle except Jehovah’s Witness.

In my first year of college (several years ago), I almost always wore combat boots, baggy jeans, and big t-shirts. I was waaaay skinnier back then and tried to hide under many layers of clothing. For some reason, the baggy clothing and skinniness led most people to assume that I was:

  1. a vegetarian

  2. a lesbian

I was also attending an art school, so I guess both characteristics were quite common there. But I was neither. I found that it answered both questions easily to tell the person how much I loved meat.

Plus I look way younger than I really am. I’ll be 26 in August, but I look about 16. But I’ve ranted about that before and just don’t feel like it right now. Pain in the ass sometimes, sometimes nice. 'Nuff said. :stuck_out_tongue:

Went to a gaming party with my husband. PC gaming. I don’t do it. Not interested in it. This was back in the day when IPX was the perferred protocol for PC gaming.

I’m there with my husband, uninterested. Dressed for a New Years party (not a PC gaming party, silly me, I should know what I’m getting into before I go), which means little black dress (on the conservative side, but sexy), makeup, jewelery.

The PCs can’t get to the Novell server. The geeks downstairs hack at it for about an hour and then my husband gets me. Client is hosed. No install disks. So I peice together the client files from the other PCs. Not a big deal or anything. Not like bringing the server back from the dead. But the gaming geeks were a little shocked. Female, not bad looking, and better than we are with computers!

If my husband hadn’t been there, I might have gotten a marriage proposal to two.

Ooh, my floor decided I had a preference for girls this year. I think it was the untamed leg hair. (Never mind the fact that my boyfriend came to visit me…)

Heh. Dangerosa and elf, I occasionally (very occasionally) have the same problem. I’ve been swanning down the street in full queenly dudgeon, and been propositioned by a female prostitute or straight strip-club operator before. (My usual rejoinder is, “I’d love to but my boyfriend would kill me!”)