That would be “hole” <blush>
Stoidela
Boycott shampoo! Demand REAL poo!
I think some of you chicks need to get hip to this group – Ladies Against Women.
http://www.well.com/user/gail/ladies/index.html
LAW is a group of satiric actor-agitators who like to show up at Phyllis Schlafly appearances and similar social reactionary events. Drop 'em a line and they’ll sell you a membership. The membership card, complete with the motto, “I’d Rather Be Ironing,” contains a separate signature line for “Husband’s Permission” (“not valid without signature of husband, father or clergyman”).
Big Iron, that was a cute site 
Thanks for sharing.
I couldn’t resist, I e-mailed the Father’s Manifesto. I never received a personal e-mail from Lynda, so maybe these guys will blow me off, too. Oh well, that would probably be for the best because they could probably make me cry 
But here’s what I told them:
“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy
Susan, please just use excerpts from the page, or just the URL of the page you’re talking about. And check your mailbox, please.
SDStaff Lynn
And I really can’t express the way I feel about that webpage.
Lynn
Aaa, the Father’s Manifesto folks just responded with: no one analyzes what Disraeli’s statement really means, and girls are bad at math.
So I’ll just remember what Eleanor Roosevelt said and try to forget what they said.
But to those who’ve basically said we’re wasting our anger on nothing, well, you’re partially right, these boneheads are nothing. But you’ve got to understand, these assholes have basically posted on the WWW for the universe to see that women suck. And this includes me, my sister, my mom, my grandmothers, my friends and co-workers, my teachers, the women on this mb, and every single woman I know, love and respect who’s dared to leave the house and enter the real world. That’s insulting and painful. And it’s worse that there are women who actually agree.
If a black or Jewish person posted about how much http://www.whitesonly.net or http://www.ihr.org/index.html hurt and angered them, would you tell them these people are harmless?
Oh well, as Eleanor said, no one can make you feel inferior without your permission, and as Denis Leary said, life sucks, get a helmet.
“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy
Gr8kat, Adventures in the Land of the Tiny Brained can be infuriating, but I think a better response is laughter. I think laughter and ridicule can be effective tools against aggressive stupidity. And it’s more fun than anger.
I also recommend restraint because every time somebody visits the site, it counts as a hit. If they don’t get any hits, they might not be able to justify maintaining a site.
I’d hoped maybe they would have a smart counter that realized it was the same person hitting the site and only count them once. Some people have those, but I guess it was a lot to expect of them to have anything to do with anything “smart.”
“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy
while I was on vacation I missed some email, and didn’t see the note about that hateful site. They are now bashing single moms and saying that they are responsible for killing their kids.
when are these nuts going to be calmed down? as long as nobody challenges their routine everybody is going to believe what they write.
Any ideas?
Susan
It actually would appear that no one on this forum at least believes their ideas, so I’m not sure where that particular alarm comes from.
Evidentally, there may be some wee bit of cause for alarm. There are women who agree with some of this tripe so much that they are writing books about it, and these books are getting publicity. OK, so far I only know about one book, “What Our Mothers Didn’t Tell Us: Why Happiness Eludes the Modern Woman,” by Danielle Crittenden, but it has sold over 24,000 copies and is due to be published in paperback next spring. The upshot of the book is, women are unhappy because they’re trying to start careers right out of college when they should be getting married and making babies.
A review of this book can be found at:
http://www.hipmama.com/features/critten.html
“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy
An excerpt from the review (hopefully this is short enough not to violate any copyright laws):
That sounds to me like a lot of publicity. Not just a band of fruitcakes with a couple of websites, but someone who has taken it upon herself to be some kind of spokeswoman (or “spokesman” if “spokeswoman” is too feminist) for the anti-feminist movement and is garnering national attention. As the article says:
I’m alarmed.
“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy
I know at this point I’m just talking to myself, but one of the things that continues to boggle my mind is the fact that these people who claim women shouldn’t work outside the home totally ignore the concept of a family business. I know of a lot of businesses that are run jointly by a husband and wife, including my own family’s businesses. In my lifetime, my father was always self-employed, never worked for anyone else, and my mom was always his partner and assistant. It would have cost MONEY to hire anyone else to do the work she did, so I guess some people might bristle at the idea that he was exploiting her for cheap labor, but I never saw it that way (not until about 30 seconds ago when I wrote that line). So far as I could tell, she was an equal partner in making decisions and all the behind-the-scene stuff, and assisted on the job sight, first at the dairy milking cows, washing milk jugs, transporting milk cans to the creamery, building calf pens–nothing “girlie” about any of these jobs–and keeping the dairy’s books. When the family left the dairy business and dad bought his own gas station, she was there pumping gas along side him, as well as stocking shelves, washing windshields, cashiering, going to the bank in the afternoons, and again keeping the books.
And I don’t think my sister and I suffered for it. Back when they had the dairy, they could take us to work with them. We spent our days looking for kittens in the barn, “helping” milk the cows by opening and closing “stantions” (sp?), running around in the fields; good, wholesome fun A gas station is a wee bit more dangerous than a farm, what with all the moving vehicles and combustibles, but we had a live-in grandmother and mom usually came home a couple hours after we got home from school.
My point is, we weren’t unique. Our neighbors ran their own convenience store, and again giving jobs to family members was cheaper than hiring outside help. Also the local drug store was run by a husband and wife team, and so was another nearby gas station (our competitor, damn them, but still worth mentioning here), and on and on. I guess maybe the difference is this was a small, rural, farming community (ie, we were all a bunch of hicks who didn’t any know better), but I’m still amazed when I read articles from city slickers about how feminists have only recently forced women into the work force, and that women in the work force are hurting their children, their families, morale, productivity, and the economy.
I mean, read Laura Ingals Wilder’s books, for pity’s sake. And then read the books that tell the stuff she left out. Women worked hard back then, both inside and outside the home (she left school when she was 15 or 16 to be a teacher!). Anyone who longs for the good old days never lived in the good old days.
“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy
On behalf of my entire gender, please permit me humbly to apologize.
As long as we’re on the debate, let me attract flaq by asking if males and females, if raised in a vaccum, are fundamentaly different. At my school last year 3/21 of the 4.0 GPS for Three Years students were male while 1/8 Colorado Math Leage Top Placers were female.
“The first thing a man will do for his ideals is lie.”
–Joseph A. Schempeter
threemae -
I assume you’re talking intelligence-wise. (If not, let me know, and I’ll adjust the response.) Personally, I’m inclined to say no. The typical stereotype is that men are better at math/science, while women are better at english. However, I’m a hell of a lot better at math than writing, and I’m a woman. There are smart women, and stupid women, and smart men, and stupid men. Your intelligence has nothing inherent to do with your gender. (Or race for that matter, but that’s another topic.)
However, do women have more societal pressures than men to lose that intelligence? Yes. And that is where the differences come from, IMO. Not from a fundemental difference between men and women, but from the different expectations in society.
“And the knowlege that they fear is a weapon to be used against them.”
-Neil Peart, RUSH, “The Weapon”
you seem to be forgetting one important fact, men and women are different (fortunately). how different? take for example a group of women and a group of men and compare those two groups. if men want something like getting the beer in a middle of a game its like this: #1: guys, we need beer. #2: i bought it. #3: i got the snack. #4: darn, ok ill get it.
a group of women would do something like this: #1: we are out of snack. #all: (stand up and get it together).
and what is this “toilet culture of yours?”
one difference is: men can only concentrate on one thing at a time, we get cought up in it, so devoted to it we lose time and place.
(i hate watching tv with women, they are constantly changing channels, fact!) like when im watching a game or whatnot on tv an i suddenly become aware of the fact that someone is trying to get my attention, i snap out of the game only to see my wife looking at me with that look, i ask “what?” and get a “nothing” in return - quote from a friend of mine.
once in a party i was sitting in the sofa surrounded by women talking about men (bad place, i know now.) they were saying something like, “men are jerks”, “so lazy”, “you know what my boyfriend did the other day?” etc… i didnt mind much, just kept my mouth shut and halfheartedly listened couse i was like waiting to hear any of them stand up for us men. but no! what did they do? they suddenly stopped talking like this like it was pre-planned and looked at me! asking “what do you have to say about this?”. since i wasnt fully focused on what had been going on i couldnt do more than say “ehh…dunno.” but thinking about it afterwards (we are good at that :)) i could have said a number of things.
- never send a man to do a womans job.
- you are women, we are different.
- if all men are jerks, why do you date em?
- what am i doing here?
- you are all absolutely right, i wholeheartedly agree with out about what you think of the homo sapiens of the male persuation.
- ehh…dunno!
All I can say about this Father Manifesto thing is one thought.
- The guy who runs it probably hasn’t gotten laid in quite some time and put all his two minutes of sexual energy into looking up bizzare stats to confirm his beliefs that women are not equal. Of course we are not equal. Not to him, Cripes, I wouldn’t wear THAT hat in public if I were on crack.
bj0rn, you’re not getting it. Your post sounds like a stand-up routine ("What is it with women? Why do they all go to the bathroom together? What’s up with that? Yadda yadda yadda) Yes, you’re right, men and women are different, but I don’t think that means they aren’t equal.
The reason I keep bringing up my family is, well, ok, there are 2 reasons: 1.) I like to talk about my family and myself (see my homepage for further proof, not that you need it), and 2.) I was brought up in an environment where men and women were equal. At least, as that’s the impression that I got and grew up with. View people as individuals and don’t judge them outright on their gender.
But the people I’m ranting about don’t hold such a view at all. Read the fathers’ manifesto and ladies’ manifesto pages. They assert: Women are too stupid to understand politics, the constitution, or free enterprise so they shouldn’t vote. A drunk man is a better driver than a sober woman so they shouldn’t drive. Women lie about rape and abuse so they shouldn’t be listened to. Women are more likely to kill children so they shouldn’t get custody of their children. Women are lazy, incompetent, and like to make false accusations about male co-workers, so they shouldn’t join the workforce. Women and girls are stupid and bring down our national test scores, so they shouldn’t teach or go to school.
This isn’t about who leaves the toilet seat up or who has to take out the garbage, this is about people who think a woman’s place is in the home, married, and having children, that’s it. They are lesser human beings who cannot and should not do what men can do. They need men to control them or they will wreck society. And what is even more horrifying is that there are women who agree. “That’s right, if my husband let me out of the house once in a while, I probably would cheat on him, divorce him, and murder my babies! I really should just stay home and mop and maybe watch some tv, it’s better for all of society that way.”
Tell me it’s not like that in Iceland.
“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy
-from the Ladies Manifesto
The thing you guys didn’t realize while heaping all this anger on these people is that THEY LIVE ON A DIFFERENT PLANET! We have no way of knowing what it is like for them. So let’s not be so quick to judge, ok?
>^,^<
“Cluemobile? You’ve got a pickup…”
OpalCat’s site: http://fathom.org/opalcat
The Teeming Millions Homepage: fathom.org/teemingmillions
Maybe the manifesto folks are from another planet, but there are people on this one whose beliefs aren’t that far removed. And they are very active in politics and have friends in high places.
Here is an (admittedly one-sided) review of the “Independent Women’s Forum”: http://wlo.org/iwf/iwf2.html
I’ll say it again: I’m alarmed.
“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy