Guys wearing their belt buckle off-center

Read this thread a while back, and today realized I may start doing this myself. I have to have a ton of equipment attached to my person now that I’m a manager at my long-time retail employer. Going clockwise, I have my big set of store keys (plus usually a set of sporting goods gun/knife case keys AND powered lifting equipment keys), my personal phone (needed when my walkie-talkie is out of range), belt buckle, box knife, walkie-talkie. So from left hip to right hip, I’m out of real estate. Now I’ve learned I’ll be getting a personal handheld scanner (basically an Android phone with a laser) which luckily is small enough for a pocket, and a Bluetooth portable printer, with handy belt clip. I’ll probably have to switch to side-buckle, actually more like back-side buckle to accommodate my latest cyborg extension. sigh. As if I didn’t already look like a corporate tool.

(And yes, I have to walk like a movie cowboy in a duel, arms akimbo, ready to grab my many weapons when needed. I have bruises from forgetting, swinging my arms like a human, and banging my arms against my tools repeatedly in a night.)

When I was thin, I had a cool collection of belt buckles that could be switched onto different leather belts. Still have them, just not thin enough to wear them anymore. I always wore them to the side, especially the biggest ones and particularly with lower rise jeans. Just makes it easier to sit down, drive in the car, etc. They now fit my daughter, who is almost 12. :slight_smile:

The problem you described is endemic to another occupation: that of police officer. You might want to check out a police or law enforcement forum where I’ve seen discussions about how to accomodate all the equipment a police officer must carry. I’ve even seen directions on how to assemble one’s equipment on a police utility belt.

Perhaps, rather than wearing your belt buckle to the side, you might consider wearing a Sam Browne (2 1/4" wide police utility) belt to work. :slight_smile: Not only would it provide something sturdy to hang all your employer-required equipment on, but also maybe your employer will get the hint. The only disadvantage to wearing a Sam Browne belt is that you’re likely to be mistaken for a security guard rather than a store manager.

Regarding the problem about what to do with one’s hands and arms, police officers must have the same problem too. Perhaps, this problem might also have been discussed on a police forum. Based on my observations of TV news coverage of crime scenes where a lot of police officers seem to be milling around for a long time, the most common position I see their hands in is on their hips, hands resting on top of their utility belt with palms facing downward and elbows out to the side. If you find this position too effeminate for you, there is always the macho cowboy gunfighter stance you mentioned with your arms out to the side, ready to draw your pricing gun out at the drop of a price before a competitor can outdraw you. However, if you find this position too tiring, you can rest your arms (adopting an even more macho stance) by grasping the sides of the large rectangular buckle of the Sam Browne belt with your thumbs and index fingers with your elbows out to the side.

As an aside: Regarding another problem police officers must have with their utility belts: I wonder how they manage to get in and out of their vehicles being weighed down with so much equipment? Also, with all the equipment attached on the back side of their utility belt, can they even rest their backs against the seat back? And what about getting a seat belt on? It must be somewhat awkward as well as uncomfortable.

Who do you think wrote “Highway to Hell”?

MEAN MR. MUSTARD, I’m happy to report that you’ve finally been vindicated! Your observations about Dick Van Dyke have now been confirmed. I admit I was a little skeptical at first. Since sitcoms are not my specialty, I was hoping to find a DVD set of the show at a bargain price in order to check out your claim.

First, I found a single DVD that contained 6 random episodes of the show, but none of them even showed Dick wearing a belt! Then, a few weeks ago, I lucked out and found a DVD set of the Complete Season 2 at a thrift store.

Since you’re more familiar with The Dick Van Dyke Show than I am, you’re undoubtedly aware that Dick is hardly ever shown wearing a belt (either on-center or off-center). In the majority of the episodes, Dick wears a suit coat or a sports coat with one button fastened which effectively hides any belt that he might be wearing. And even when he’s wearing his coat unbuttoned, he’s often wearing a vest or a sweater underneath his coat which would cover up any belt. Sometimes he wears a sweater by itself which would hide his belt. And then, a few times, he’s even wearing beltless slacks!

Now for the evidence from Season 2 which comes from 2 episodes. In the episode titled “The Two Faces of Rob”, check between the timings 14:27 and 15:30. Dick is wearing a very narrow black belt with the buckle on his left side. At times, his coat hides the buckle, but because no buckle is seen at the center position, you know he’s wearing it off-center.

The other episode is titled “The Cat Burglar”. Here the viewing is even better. At 13:50, Dick makes a complete 360-degree turn in the kitchen so you can view his entire belt. And at 15:00, you get an excellent closeup frontal view. This episode leaves no doubt how Dick liked to wear his belt.

A viewer checking out Season 2 might think I had overlooked one “off-center belt buckle sighting” in the episode titled “Somebody Has To Play Cleopatra”. In this episode, the character Harry Rogers (played by actor Bob Crane of Hogan’s Heroes fame) seems to be wearing his belt buckle to the side. So what’s the problem? I see the buckle, but I don’t see the belt, unless it’s an identical color match to his slacks, which I doubt. Although I see what looks like a belt between the buckle and the keeper, I don’t see a belt at the center position. This makes me suspect that the buckle and keeper and the short segment of belt in between are actually part of the slacks. Perhaps, there is someone reading this, who is more familiar with 1950s and early 1960s clothing styles than I am, who can confirm whether slacks were ever made that way.

In Season 2, I found only 2 episodes where Dick wears a belt with the buckle in the center position, but they are special cases. They are both “flashback” episodes when Dick was in the Army courting Laura. Dick is shown wearing a khaki Army uniform (quite authentically, I might add, having been in the Army myself). Dick has on the standard Army cotton web belt, and he wears its metal buckle in the center position. One of those episodes is titled “The Attempted Marriage”.

I can honestly state that, with the notable exception when Dick was wearing a US Army uniform, I’ve never actually seen Dick wear his belt buckle in the center (at least in Season 2). So I wonder whether Dick may have been one of those guys who had a decided preference for wearing his belt buckle off-center? Perhaps, I should turn Mean Mr. Mustard’s question around on its head and ask “Has any viewer seen an episode where Dick is shown wearing his belt buckle in the center position, with the exception of when he’s wearing an Army uniform?”

Because it may be a long time before I luck out again and find another season of the Dick Van Dyke Show on DVD at a thrift store, perhaps another viewer can report any relevant observations from viewing other seasons.

I’ll explain how I was able to find what I did very quickly without spending the time to watch every episode. Put a disk in your player and pick the option to “Play All Episodes”. Once the disk starts playing, switch to a “Fast Forward” speed. If you see Dick wearing a buttoned-up coat, you can be pretty sure you’re not going to see his belt. So continue playing the disk at high speed. If you see that his coat is unbuttoned, then Pause and check whether he’s wearing a vest or sweater underneath his coat which would hide his belt. If not, then play at normal speed to check for a visible belt. Otherwise, resume playing at high speed.

Anyway, thanks to you, Mean Mr. Mustard, I’ve added the Dick Van Dyke Show to my list of TV programs where an actor wears his belt buckle off-center. It makes the 4th sitcom on my list, the other three being Leave It To Beaver, Ozzie and Harriet, and The Monkees. All the other shows on my list are dramas, mostly Westerns.

I recently acquired the DVD set of the Complete Season 1 episodes of The Dick van Dyke Show. I have watched the entire set and here’s what I’ve found.
Dick wore his belt buckle off-center in the following episodes:

Disk 2 - Episodes 1, 2, 6
Disk 3 - Episodes 2, 3, 5, 6
Disk 5 - Episodes 3, 6

Dick wore his belt in the center position in the following episodes:

Disk 1 - Episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Disk 2 - Episode 5

In all other episodes, no belt is seen.

In Season 1, Dick seems to wear 2 belts, both narrow in width. One is a traditional belt with a very narrow rectangular buckle. The other belt is rather unusual. I’ve never seen one like it before. The way Dick is wearing it, the buckle is on his front left side. There are also 2 metal “inserts” which can be mistaken for buckles. One is located on Dick’s right front side, and the other one is located on Dick’s left back side.

Dear beltman,

Please respond with all of the belt positions of William Conrad as Frank Cannon during the episodes of Cannon which ran from 1971 to 1976.

Thank you,

Omar Little

Dear Omar,

I can’t comply with your request because I don’t have the complete series of “Cannon” on DVD. However, some time ago, I did manage to acquire Season One very cheaply at a library sale. I scanned through the entire season at high speed but did not notice William Conrad ever wearing his belt buckle off-center.

However, my scan did uncover a guest actor in one episode who wore his belt buckle off-center. In the episode “The Salinas Jackpot” (in Season 1, Volume 1), the character Howdy Briscoe (played by actor John Perak) wears a brown dress belt (maybe 1" wide) with the buckle on his left side. His buckle is first clearly seen at 26:22, but the best view is at 41:25. Look for the guy wearing a dark green shirt and tan pants.

Now, it’s possible that William Conrad only wore his belt buckle off-center sometime after season 1. For example, Tony Dow, in the TV series “Leave It To Beaver”, wore his belt buckle off-center in season 2, but not in season 1.

I presume you saw William Conrad wearing his belt off-center in some episode or you wouldn’t have posted your message. Perhaps, you could let me know where that was.

Beltman

Since you are so into this, beltman, I feel obliged to inform you that I just watched an episode of the Dick Van Dyke show where Rob wore his buckle way off to the side; an episode that is not on your list.

It is season 1, episode 30 (the final ep of the season): The Return of Happy Spangler.

The side-buckle is clearly noted near the end of the episode, during the scene where Rob is acting out a comedy scene in the office for the others.

ETA: I now see that you cited Disc 5, Episode 6 above, which very well may be episode 30 of season 1.

I do this. I have a HUGE surgical scar right down the centerline, that draws looks on the beach and has more than once elicited a “WOW” from doctors during exams. After more than 7 years it is still painful enough that wearing the buckle in the usual spot does not work.

I’m not sure people can see where I wear my buckle, but suspect they would notice the scar first, even with my shirt on. It changed my shape enough that if the shirt is against me, people can see.

What kind of freaky zombie porn do you watch‽

I have worn my belt buckle far to the left ever since the mid 1980’s after watching a music video where the lead singer had his buckle like that. I think it was a Huey Lewis and the news video. Anyhow, it became one of my things. I don’t where my belt like that if I’m wearing a suit, or dress pants. But I basically live in jeans. Funny thing is that people rarely notice. A good friend of mine that I have known for 30 years recently noticed and insisted it was a new thing for me…

I’m not worthy [bow down]

I was just being facetious, but man you are into your study of belts!!

I’m from the future. In year 3 of the zombie apocalypse, most of the clothes have worn off all of the zombies. I was able to make my way to New Mexico from Texas, and take advantage of the North American time machine to travel back to the 1980’s. I’ve been here for the last 30 some odd years. Much better than what awaits humanity in the future.

Yes, he would surely win a fight with Suspenderman.

Hey beltman! Didn’t know if you’d ever return. I don’t know how many people study belts the way you do, but when the subject comes up your expertise is perfect for the Dope.

Ah…Suspenderman, Suspenderman…doing the thing no mere belt can…

Hey Mean Mr. Mustard,

It’s good to know that the originator of my favorite thread is still alive. After receiving no response to my comments on Season 2 of the Dick van Dyke Show, I was beginning to wonder.

After reading your comments about the episode titled “The Return of Happy Spangler”, I began to wonder whether I might have dozed off during that episode. However, that was not the case. If you check my comments on Season 1, where I list those episodes in which Dick wore his belt buckle off-center, you’ll find I included Episode 6 on Disk 5, which is “The Return of Happy Spangler”.

I’m sorry if my abbreviated method of specifying episodes caused any confusion, but I have an infirmity that makes accurate typing a challenge. So I wanted to avoid typing in all the episode titles as I didn’t expect anyone else to be “so into this”.

However, for those who are into this, I’ve found 26 TV series (so far) where one or more actors have worn their belt buckle off-center. The series that has had the most (6) actors wearing their belt buckle off-center is the western “The Texan” starring Rory Calhoun. The non-western series that has had the most (4) actors wearing their belt buckle off-center is “The Fugitive” starring David Jannsen.

Although I’ve searched more westerns (I like their wide garrison belts) than non-westerns for off-center belt buckles, I’ve found some in the following non-western series: Cannon, Highway Patrol, Leave It to Beaver. The Monkees, Ozzie and Harriet, and State Trooper.

I have to qualify all my findings with the phrase “so far”, as I don’t have the complete episodes for many series.

If you click on the link below, you’ll see a photo someone emailed me of actor Jan-Michael Vincent wearing his belt buckle off-center. Because of the rather unattractive background, I don’t believe it was a studio photo, but rather a still photo from a movie he was in . Would anyone know what movie that might have been?

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