GWB:Lying sack of shit, or deranged and brain damaged.?

Watching Bush & co. spin and twist and deny, I am seized with the fear that, at least for dub, the denial may be rooted in more than mere political expediency.

What if he really believes everything he says?

Wouldn’t that make him clinically nuts? (Hears from god, etc.)

If he is crazy (as opposed to merely venal and weakminded) aren’t we in very deep shit?

NOTA BENE the unspoken major premise:the world dub describes does not exist in reality. If you think that it does, don’t bother to post a comment.

Possibly both.

Looks like this is heading for the pit.

The more I watch the guy, the more he reminds me of every corporate exec I’ve ever known.

He’s not crazy, nor is he stupid. He is simply very focused. He wants what he wants. He doesn’t want to hear what he doesn’t wanna hear. He is not particularly concerned with society or the American people; he’s interested in the people to whom he feels responsible (CEO: stockholders. Politician: the special interests and contributors who put him in office).

Bush’s problem is that he’s a businessman who, for some insane reason, wanted to play politician. He wanted to run The Big Electric Train Set.

Even in America in the year 2004, the two things are NOT the same.

[Moderator Hat ON]

Too much flame, not enough debate. To the Pit.

[Moderator Hat OFF]

Debate?

4 minutes. Do I get a prize?

But isn’t there a good chance the people - who you can apparently fool only some of the time - will re-elect the whole crowd ?

Maybe in the second term ya’ll can think up a neater name for the dude, like that cool ‘Governator’ thing.

I intend to fraudulently vote for Bush at least 50 times in Novermber to cancel out every naysayer in this thread.

Because that’s the kind of guy I am.

It does the heart good to know that prattling fools like alaricthegoth are on the other team.

Or does anyone else think Brutus calling someone a fool seems like the pot calling the kettle black?

I sense three pages of *pro forma *handbag waving ahead

It sure would, but once you scroll past the point where his name is visible, it gets hard to tell Alaric’s ravings from those of humptyhamhole. That leaves everyone with only cold comfort.

Our story so far:

alaricthegoth says President Bush is a poopyhead. Brutus says that alaricthegoth is a poopyhead for calling Bush a poopyhead.

Based on these statements, I’m leaning cautiously toward the position that not only Bush, but both alaricthegoth and Brutus, may indeed be poopyheads. I will reserve my final judgement until sometime during the fifth page, however.

Just in case anyone’s having a bit of trouble following the many twists and turns of the debate.

The evidence for Brutus being a poopyhead is stronger than the evidence that Saddam had stockpiles of WMDs. :wink:

And if anyone is polling the OP, I’ll vote for “GWB: Lying sack of shit.” I am convinced beyond a doubt that the guy knows he’s lying, and does it anyway, because all he cares about is getting his way, integrity be damned.

I am inclined to believe that Bush is an alcoholic and has all the symptoms of that disease except the drinking, which I understand he claims he has stopped.

That would explain an awful lot.

Unless I’m mistaken, I heard Bush yesterday on the tube saying that the situation in Iraq has improved.

First, is there anyone, anyone, who would care to defend the truth of that statement?! I didn’t think so.

Now, is he lying, or just hopelessly confused? Is there some third alternative?

I’d vote for the third option - woefully misinformed.

I don’t believe that it’s just that he doesn’t hear anything he doesn’t want to hear, I honestly believe that those who feed him his information don’t tell him anything they know he doesn’t want to hear.

Correct me if I’m wrong (and I know someone will), but hasn’t he made a remark at some point about not paying much attention to news?

My memory serves me well:

Sure. I’ll step up to the plate.

You’re assuming that there’s a single way of measuring “improvement”. Secondly, you’re assuming that there’s a single defined goal toward which the improvement is being measured.

So, to give a couple of scenarios:

a) There’s a shared goal, being, say, “liberate the Iraqi people”, but George measures performance by the relative body counts of US v Iraqis. George isn’t lying when he says things have improved.

b) There’s no shared goal. Your goal is, say, “liberate the Iraqi people”, but George’s goal is actually “dominate Iraq”. George isn’t lying when he says things have improved.

See how easy it is to prove that Bush doesn’t lie?

Clearly, Demostylus, I need further lessons in Bushthink. :smiley:

You’re not the only one. Here’s an article about just that thing. It was writen by Katherine Van Wormer, a professor of Social work, who works with alcoholics.

Here’s one with a humorous photoshopped image. The accompanying article is not so light-hearted.

Here’s one more:

Is Bush a “Dry Drunk”? This is a Serious, Not Just a Provocative Question. Apparently a lot of drunks say that they are following God’s will.