Personally, I am sick and tired of handy’s uselessness on these boards. His repeated lies, misinformation, and incorrect statements border on regular trolling, IMO.
I think the Admins should ban the bugger and be done with it.
Monster104, what’s the idea of bringing this thread back on topic?
In response to your post, I don’t think I’ve ever said this before:
Me, too.
My apologies Slip.
Handy sucks!
Is that better? 
The topic? We don’t need no stinking topic!
Seriously, though, Fran; Since the inventor of signwriting uses ASL, it’s natural for many people to believe that the movement symbols are based on that language. Actually, what they are base on is the way the signs themselves, the motions if you will, look. It doesn’t matter what particular sign language one is using, the symbol for a hand held in a particular fashion used by an ASL signer will be identical for the hand held in that same particular fashion used by a BSL signer regardless if the meaning of the sign is the same or not in the two sign languages. I’d say it’s more an observation notation. Not to mention, there are more than a few people around the world using it now, again regardless of which sign language they’re using to communicate. And don’t forget to download the free signwriting software. Always fun to type the stuff!
Thanks, Fran. When you’re right you’re right. Right? Right. Handy does suck. He’s a Hoover.
Monty, you know a lot of stuff about a lot of things. Either knock it off or dumb it down for us slobs who never made it to college.
I don’t want to have to tell you this again.
Do NOT drag the good name of Hoover down by associating it with an asshole like handy. At least a Hoover will suck up bullshit instead of spreading it around.
I fucked up. My apologies to Hoover.
I’d dearly like to; however, I’m just far too lazy for that!
As someone once said to me when I said “I just want to go home to California,” you’re old enough (presumably) for your wants not to hurt you.
Blessings to Ice Cream (and a thousand welcomes, btw!) and Francesca for shedding some much-needed light on this mess: truly fighting ignorance.
I’ve tried to stay out of this because it’s one of my few hot-buttons. Two friends educated me–forcefully–in Deaf culture. They met and married at Gally; he’s 65, she’s 50. One of the main things they taught me is how unique and fiercely proud Deaf culture is. Intelligence and deft facility with languge are NOT tied to perceiving sounds. They’ll rip the head offa anyone who implies that their ability to communicate effectively is “less” just because they approach it around sound. IOTW, different in some aspects but NEVER less in quality or worth of content. Anyone who tries to pity or patronize them better have a good First Aid kit handy.
The Deaf (and deaf) are as individual as anyone else, so fair enough. But my primary problem is that handy can and has acquitted himself quite adequately on these boards when he’s chosen to put forth the effort. Unfortunately he prefers to fall back on deafness as an excuse and justification for behavior he–demonstrably–can and HAS avoided when he wanted to.
The tactic is both insulting and unworthy, IMO.
Veb
You mean handy actually blames his assholish trollishness on his deafness? I’ve heard others excuse it by saying that, but for him to say that…
I mean, come on, excuses excuses.
I haven’t really tried to recruit my IRL friends and acquaintance to this board for a variety of reasons, many of which we’ve commiserated on before. But I do have one good friend who has enjoyed my experience here vicariously.
He’s read the board occasionally, and he finally signed up and posted a few times, several months ago. We met for drinks last Wednesday night and, amongst other drivel, chatted about the board. He expressed the thought that he was glad I’d taken to it, but he was dismayed in reading it to find that often questions were responded to by posters that had obviously not read the OP through and fired off inaccurate answers. He described a few hypothetical threads and, while he mentioned no names and I think had not really noticed any names, I certainly recognized the style of post he portrayed as that characteristic of handy.
So there’s one fellow (a better theoretical geophysicist than I, but I’m better as an applied geophysicist - so there, or something) whom we failed to draw into our community.
OMG, Blessed by a mod within the first few weeks of board membership… I’m barely able to type…This has to be quite an honor.
Thanks, TVeblen. I’m glad to have that pointed out as well, regarding the pride of deaf culture. Not only are we proud, but we all are unique (like everyone else) regarding how we deal with it. So, I get upset when ‘deaf’ is used as a blanket ‘reason’ for anything, at all. (Except, of course, not hearing something.)
I’m enjoying the heck out of these boards. Thanks, all, for the welcomes, and happy thanksgiving!! (oops, was I allowed to say something nice in this forum?)
-sic
It’s not a felony, but gee, next time throw in a cuss word or two.
SIC, you’re a breath of fresh air. Hope you stick around.
You mean stuff like this? wherein the OP asks in GQ:
and handy’s complete and unabridged response is:
To me the problem seems straightforward. handy cannot, or will not, distinguish GQ from MPSIMS. It has nothing to do with deafness. Indeed, it has nothing to do with anything except a complete inability to refrain from impulsive and/or irrelevant posting in GQ.
OMG, Blessed by a mod within the first few weeks of board membership… I’m barely able to type…This has to be quite an honor.
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Gersh.
(looks around surreptitiously while emptying ashtrays, hauling drunks to the curb and breaking up fights: mod glamour)
Ahem!
Joking aside, my friends–and other deaf folks they smacked me into understanding their way–are the ignorance fighters. Languages are way too rich, variable and NEEDED to wilfully degrade.
Veb
Thanks for taking the time to explain all that to me, Francesca. I had no idea what handy meant when he made “…on the phone…” type comments, not did I know there were such systems available. It’s been on my mind ever since you first mentioned it.
It all makes sense now, thanks again !
Okay, I am going to speak my piece here, and I expect I will get flamed royally. So be it.
I do NOT believe that Handy is a bad person. I recognize that he makes mistakes, and I understand that he can be annoying. But…so can we all. I am sure that I have annoyed my share of fellow posters. (My apologies to any of you who fall into that category.)
I think he is a good person who doesn’t happen to have the good sense to keep his mouth shut when he isn’t on firm ground. That is not a good thing, but really…don’t we all have to deal with people like that on a day to day basis? I do. I am sure you do too. What do you do with THOSE people? You listen politely and then go on with your conversation, discounting anything they have to say unless it happens to be something you think you should explore. In which case you look into it, decide whether their statement had validity, and then judge the information on it’s merits.
Handy IS a real person. A person with feelings. I do not think that he has done anything bad enough to be trashed all over this board. I am of the opinon that a good person, with good intentions, should not be castigated this way. This is hurtful, and I do not think he deserves it.
Personally, I have no idea if Handy’s personal character is of the finest quality or the poorest quality. For all I know, he’s a stand-up guy who I might like if I ever met him face to face.
But I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I’ll stop being irritated and annoyed by Handy when he stops posting crap in GQ. He’s been told enough times by now that he should know better, and yet he continues, so I simply cannot believe that his intentions are good. I honestly do not believe that he is trying to be a helpful, useful contributor to this message board. If he wants to post personal anecdotes and urban legends and unverified stuff that he heard from someone somewhere, he can easily do so in MPSIMS, and I wouldn’t be bothered at all by that.
Anyway, I’m not trying to trash Handy as a person. I just wish he’d learn what is and is not appropriate to post in GQ.
His posting mania is really beginning to look like it is beyond some kind of annoying volitional behavior and is some form of obsessive compulsive disorder. He’s absolutely, positively GOT TO POST. I’m honestly beginning to think he couldn’t stop posting even if he wanted to which sort of explains a lot of things.