Hanoi Jane?

I recently got this email and was really curious how true it was(urban legends abound on the net). I know Jane Fonda went to Hanoi, but I don’t know the specifics of her visit. Any comments?

This message is forwarded from:
> >Cliff Urbanas, Jr.
> >Englewood Ohio
> >
> > Looks like Hanoi Jane may be honored as one of the “100 Women of
> >the Century”. JANE FONDA remember? Unfortunately many have forgotten and
> >still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the
> >idea of our “country” but the men who served and sacrificed during
> >Vietnam.
> >
> > There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Jane
> >Fonda’s participation in what I believe to be blatant treason, is one of
> >them. Part of my conviction comes from exposure to those who suffered her
> >attentions. The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot’s
> >name
> >is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the Commandant of the USAF
> >Survival School was a former POW in Ho Lo Prison -the “Hanoi Hilton”.
> >Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in
> >clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American “Peace
> >Activist” the “lenient and humane treatment” he’d received. He spat at
> >Ms.
> >Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he
> >fell forward upon the camp commandant’s feet, accidentally pulling the
> >man’s shoe off-which sent that officer berserk.
> >
> > In '78, the AF Col still suffered from double vision (which
> >permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col’s frenzied
> >application of wooden baton. From 1983-85, Col Larry Carrigan was the
> >347FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the “Hilton” - the first three of
> >which he was “missing in action”. His wife lived on faith that he was
> >still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in
> >preparation for a “peace delegation” visit. They, however, had time and
> >devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived.
> >
> > Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the
> >palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she
> >walked
> >the line, shaking each man’s hand and asking
> >little encouraging snippets like: “Aren’t you sorry you bombed babies?”
> >and
> >“Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent
> >captors?”
> >believing this HAD to be an act, they each
> >palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a
> >beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the
> >shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge…and
> >handed him the little pile. Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
> >Col Carrigan was almost number four. For years after their release, a
> >group
> >of determined former POWs Including Col Carrigan, tried to bring Ms. Fonda
> >and others up on charges of treason. I don’t know that they used it, but
> >the charge of Negligent Homicide due to Depraved Indifference" would also
> >seem appropriate. Her obvious “granting of aid and comfort to the
> >enemy”,
> >alone, should’ve been sufficient for the treason count. However, to date,
> >Jane Fonda has never been formally charged with anything and continues to
> >enjoy the privileged life of the rich and famous. I, personally, think
> >that this is shame on us, the American Citizenry. Part of our shortfall is
> >ignorance: most don’t know such actions ever took place. Thought you might
> >appreciate the knowledge. Most of you’ve probably already seen this by
> >now… only addition I might add to these sentiments is to
> >remember the satisfaction of relieving myself into the urinal at some
> >airbase or another where “zaps” of Hanoi Jane’s face had been applied.
> >
> > To whom it may concern: I was a civilian economic development
> >advisor in Viet Nam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in
> >South Viet Nam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in
> >solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a
> >“black box” in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned
> >and
> >murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot,
> >South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At
> >one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170
> >lbs.) We were Jane Fonda’s “war criminals.” When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi,
> >I
> >was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to
> >meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the
> >real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the
> >treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as
> >“humane and lenient.” Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor
> >on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my
> >hands,
> >and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped. I had the
> >opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was
> >released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did
> >not answer me, her former husband, Tom Hayden, answered for her. She was
> >mind controlled by her husband. This does not exemplify someone who should
> >be honored as “100 Years of Great Women.” After I was released, I was
> >asked
> >what I thought of Jane Fonda and the anti-war movement. I said that I held
> >Joan Baez’s husband in very high regard, for he thought the war was wrong,
> >burned his draft card and went to prison in protest. If the other
> >anti-war
> >protesters took this same route, it would have brought our judicial system
> >to a halt and ended the war much earlier, and there wouldn’t be as many on
> >that somber black granite wall called the Vietnam Memorial. This is
> >democracy. This is the American way. Jane Fonda, on the other hand,
> >chose
> >to be a traitor, and went to Hanoi, wore their uniform, propagandized for
> >the communists, and urged American soldiers to desert. As we were being
> >tortured, and some of the POWs
> >murdered, she called us liars. After her heroes-the North Vietnamese
> >communists-took over South Vietnam, they systematically murdered 80,000
> >South Vietnamese political prisoners. May their souls rest on her head
> >forever. Shame! Shame! (History is a heavy sword in the hands of those
> >who refuse to forget it. Think of this the next time you see Ms.
> >Fonda-Turner at a Braves game).
> >
> > Please take the time to read and forward to as many people as you
> >possibly can. It will
> >eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that “we will never
> >forget”. Lest we forget…“100 years of great women” Jane Fonda should
> >never be considered.

Yeah, it’s the real deal,Scout. There was another thread about it already. You can look through GQ (or maybe it was MPSIMS) or play with the notably wonky search engine. Have fun…

(You realize, of course, that you don’t HAVE to find the old thread. People will probably repost here or find the link for you eventually)

Miksch’s Law- It’s better to have a horrible ending than horrors without end.

Told you so. The thread was here:
Click here.


Ask any Vietnam vet what he thinks of Jane Fonda! Other than that, there hasn’t really been any censure of her actions (excuses like: we weren’t officially at war, so it wasn’t treason, etc).


Here we have Jane wearing a North Vietnamese helmet hanging with some soldiers. She later posed for pictures on an anti-aircraft gun.

In that other thread, I called the woman a stupid cunt, so I know she is certainly an evil person (well, provbably just someone who was manipulated, but that’s another story).

The question I have is more direct to the OP here - are these atrocities real? Did she go THIS far?

If so, I’ll have to change my stupid cunt description to something a bit more harrsh…

Yer pal,

Yeah, they’re real.

Documented in detail by the POWs that were there. Hateful, disgusting bitch.

This space for rent.

Actually, not. According to alt.folklore.urban and an ongoing discussion at alt.fan.cecil.adams, the incident at the POW camp never happened. The other stuff sure did, though.

As John so helpfully pointed out, there is already a thread in the Great Debates forum discussing this personage.
Please continue your discussion there.


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