**Vote Count:
Red Skeezix(4): Rysto, ShadowFacts, Chipacabra, OnandOnly
Pedescribe(2): JimmyChitwood, Red Skeezix
Rysto(1): Pedescribe**
Well, most of those kids are ostensibly on my team, so
unvote pedescribe
vote Red Skeezix
Man, this game has some really interesting stuff in it, too, and it’s mostly going to waste.
I must have read that color 5 times and never once noticed that, thanks.
OK, no need to re-review the scenarios after all.
Vote Red Skeezix
Huh.
First of all, all the “no one’s playing the game” people should probably dial it back about three notches. It’s been a little quieter than usual, but there’s already been activity for Day Two and the Town caught Scum on Day One and it’s still more than forty-eight hours until the D2 deadline. We’ll get there. I mean, seriously, pedescribe, you haven’t participated barely at all and you’re criticizing the rest of the group for being “sheep-like?” I’ll bet that at least one of the “sky is falling, no one is playing” folks are Scum; in my experience, it’s the Scum who get frustrated when the game starts to idle even a little bit, because they’re Scum and they’re excited to play, but if the Townies are quiet they themselves can’t say too much for fear of overexposure. So a general wave of suspicion on the “no one is playing” gang.
So, skeezix. First of all, skeez, do you ever get a plain Town role? I don’t think I’ve ever played with you as Town.
Second, this claim demands some discussion. Question 1:
- How confident are we that skeez is telling the truth? My guess is, fairly confident. Would Scum false-claim an exclusive-win, serial killer role? Why?
Thoughts?
I think I disagree. This revelation, if it turns out to be true, requires us to re-review the scenarios because it has implications for Chipacabra among others. Skeezix may not be Town, but unless he is lying he “counts” as Town for the purposes of analyzing behavior (he presumably doesn’t know who is Scum, and the Scum presumably didn’t have any reason to treat him differently than any other Townie).
Consider ShadowFacts analysis of the situation, quoted below:
Shadow, I have italicized the two scenarios that turn out to be false (provided skeezix is telling the truth), and substituted “Non-Scum” for “Town” in the other two. How do you feel about assumptions 2 vs. 4 now?
Also:
vote redskeezix
Ultimately, it doesn’t matter whether he’s likely to be lying; he certainly could be lying, and he’ll have to die eventually even if he’s not, so why not now? I do think the construction of his bandwagon will be of interest on future Days, though.
Frankly it reads to me like a player who’s feeling frustrated with the game and has decided if he has to go out then he’s going to go out with a lot of noise.
With that said, I can’t imagine why a town player would false claim that role so he’s either scum or 3rd party. So he’s either lying, in which case we lynch him for lying or he’s telling the truth, in which case we lynch him for being anti-town.
Vote Red Skeezix
Pedescribe’s behavior confuses me. It doesn’t seem very town friendly and he’s played a lot of games and should know better but on the other other hand, it’s pedescribe and when has he not tried to be funky and fresh like that?
I just checked wikipedia and it says: “Fenrir Greyback Fenrir Greyback is a werewolf aligned with the Death Eaters but does not rank highly enough to carry the Dark Mark . He is known as the most savage werewolf ever to live and is greatly feared throughout the wizarding world, even by his natural allies. […]is known for targeting young children.” so it is likely he’s a scum claiming 3rd party. Why? No real idea. Somehow to protect or draw attention away from his buddies. What do you think?
I’m pretty doubtful that he possibly could have gotten his killed blocked two Nights running. I suppose that there could be a roleblocker out there who could have been thinking similarly to me and blocked him.
Anyway, Skeezix is either an SK or scum. His win condition is unknown – don’t make the mistake of assuming that he’s telling the truth about his win condition.
From a colour standpoint his claim fits and his claim, if true, would suggest that any Hogwarts students that he did not mention(in particular, Ginny Weasley) are not in this game.
I think that’s an awfully odd thing to say, but I’m sure we’ll find out when Red flips after the lynch. I inherently refuse to believe that names are going to be meaningful in any closed colored game, because keeping the names meaningful makes the game somewhat more likely to be breakable with a mass claim.
Your saving grace is I can’t imagine any scum motivation for theorizing that he’s a scum claiming third party. Nor is there a town motivaiton–it’s not as though his scum or PFK status is going to be a mystery after the lynch, so at most he bought someone one extra day alive even if he is scum.
vote Red Skeezix. What a boring, boring vote, but there’s no possible pro-town reason to leave him alive.
Also, and maybe I’m overly paranoid to be bringing this up but is there any reason to believe that he could be a bomb? I know jesters are generally considered bad play on the part of the moderator. Is there any such consensus on bombs?
**Vote Count:
Red Skeezix(9): Rysto, ShadowFacts, Chipacabra, OnandOnly, JimmyChitwood, Guiri, Storyteller, InnerStickler, Zeriel
Pedescribe(1): Red Skeezix
Rysto(1): Pedescribe
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[Fluff, feel free to ignore]
We were both vanilla town in colorless mafia. I was also vanilla town in the House M.D. game (and I had to request that, random.org would have given me the town doc role). All the other times that I was town I was town power. This will be the third time that I’ve gotten the “weird” role. I was really hoping for a town role in this one. But you can wish in one hand and shit in the other…
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Another 3rd party? Interesting. I think I had some preconceptions about this game’s structure that were way off.
Red’s claim is… plausible. I don’t know that I entirely buy it, but I’m also not sure what the point of a false claim would be. But either way I’m sticking with my vote.
I’m not seeing any difference in those two assumptions if Red really is a 3rd party. From Scum-Omi’s point of view, Town is exactly the same as 3rd Party on Day One. Unless Scum have daytime investigative powers (which I find highly improbable), a 3rd party Red Skeezix would just be “non-scum” to Omi. Unless I’m really missing something in my post-dinner food coma, I don’t know why there would be any change in those two assumptions. I still find #2 far more plausible than #4.
If Red flips 3rd party, though, I probably need to revisit the other conclusions I made, since I did not include 3rd party possibilities.
Snipped on both, bolding in second mine.
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Bomb?**
I don’t know, this game seems to spoon-fed to me.
Then again, I was going to look at Shadow’s Defense of Omi back at 219, to start things off for Day 2.
Next thing I know, its Day 3, and I’m half a day (Real World) behind everyone, because I figured we would start up again on Tuesday the 6th.
Was Day 3 start Embiggened?
It’s obvious there is a wagon on Skeezix.
Given that I would classify this game as more advanced [The entire I can chose my Win-Con (Snape) mechanic, the “Morph” color] can we rule out a Bomb?
Well, I guess Inner knows my stance on this, as well as everyone else.
How would classifying it as more advanced mean we could rule out a bomb? If anything, the more advanced the game, the more likely the esoteric roles are.
My memory isn’t what it used to be. When you say stance are you referring to the previous post where you seem to feel we can eliminate the possibility, or do you mean you think they’re a cheap ploy, or a valid danger or what? I’d rather we not assume that everyone is on the same page.
Well, I say the same as I always do: exclusive-win Jesters and bombs to me indicate gastardry in a closed setup, so I don’t acknowledge their possibility.
He either is an SK as he has claimed, or he is a scum claimin g SK hoping that town would keep him alive on a “you target who we say basis”. Either way I am happy with my vote where it is.