Sinaijon, the state polls are saying the same thing. There’s almost no change in MI/PA/OH etc. Only way McCain can gain in the national poll yet not gain in swing states is that red is getting red or blue is getting…lighter blue. Either is irrelevant.
Good point. Never trust an analysis when it’s using the facts and figures from an independent source like Gallup (not “Gallop”).
Let’s have a look at what that left-wing mouthpiece Rasmussen is saying as of Monday about Florida (note: the link in the URL bar appears to go to a section of the website rather than the specific 9/8/08 story I’m quoting):
(well, hopefully 3rd time is a charm…keep timing out trying to post)
I’m no fan of the DailyKos myself, mind, but the analysis looks fair to me. And they are using Gallups own raw data there.
Of course, on the other side, were you to link to a similar analysis from, say, Fox, you’d get much the same reaction from the other side. However, you should read the analysis first before shooting the source out of hand. Blind squirrels and nuts and all that.
-XT
Yes, and Gallup also provided an analysis with their poll. The South was up 9 pts, The Midwest up 7pts, the East was up 6pts. So while the biggest bump was in the southern states, an article title ‘Gallup: Shows “Palin Bounce” largely contained to South’ is deliberately misleading.’ Largely outside the West is more like it.
And what difference does it matter if it was contained in the South? Race card, anyone?
Kinda sums things up nicely. They’re scared shitless. And with good reason.
How does a list of thread titles tranlate into abject fear? There were lots of threads about Rumsfeld before Bush sacked him, and no one would confuse our derision for fear. Sounds to me like you are projecting your own feelings.
Palin scares the crap out of me, because there is a non-trivial chance that she will be president. If McCain loses, the 2012 nomination is hers. Guaranteed. If he wins, it’s only a frail heartbeat keeping her out of the Oval Office. Now Bush may be the worst president to date, but he was happy to do the photo ops while Cheney and the grownups ran things in the back room. With Palin you’ve got someone with just as evil an ideology but with the energy and ambition to actually milk that power for everything it is worth. Retirement to Canada looks more attractive to me with every election.
Why they would be scared when they’re winning? Anger at McCain being a despicable slimeball seems to be the predominant emotion.
It’s the quality of so many of them, and the posts within. And also the nonsense on the internets. That, and I can smell it. It has a distinct patchouli odor. But that just may be because of the particular strain of leftist nitwit we have here in SF.
She forced the dems to enter new territory. Do they attack a woman like they would a man. ? What tactics would backfire? Can you insult her ?
If you mention she could be pregnant in the White House ,will it hurt or be be seen as something to consider? If you wonder aloud about her dealing with states that see women as inferior ,is that being sexist ? Can you talk about her funny accent? Are her children off ground even though every one elses are in play.?
They have to tread lightly until they test all the limits.
:rolleyes: Sort of like saying "Obama forced the 'Pubs to enter new territory. Do they attack him because he’s black? Would that tactic backfire (gee, you think??)? Can you insult him? If you mention he may eat fried chicken and chitlens in the White House, will it hurt or be seen as something to consider? If you wonder aloud about him dealing with the states that see blacks as inferior, is that being racist (gee, you think…part 2!). Can you talk about his big ears? Is his wife and children off (limit I assume) even though every one elses (sic) are in play.? They have to tread lightly until they test all the (racist and stupid) limits…
Something like that?
-XT
Hippie jokes? Aww, ain’t that cute?
Meanwhile, when a major presidential candidate boosts expectations of his running mate as a reformer it shows he’s not quite clear even on how to successfully run a style-over-substance campaign. McCain should be savvy enough to know that the only thing the media loves more than building up a new story as the greatest thing since sliced bread is tearing down that image.
From that bastion of liberal politics, the Chicago Tribune:
Scared? No. Just more determined to help Barack Obama and Joe Biden hand the Rovepublicans a humiliating defeat!
I wish people would stop getting in such a tizzy about how many threads there have been about her, as if that proves something. It proves that she’s a interesting figure who came out of nowhere, in the middle of one of the most bitterly divisive elections in history, to be one of the 4 most prominent politicians in the country, and who has a bunch of random low-level possibly-scandalous things surrounding her. How could there NOT be lots of threads about her?
If Obama, instead of gradually becoming more and more famous for the past 4 years, had been a nearly total unknown who was then out of nowhere chosen as Hillary’s VP pick, there would be just as many threads about him. And issues like “is he a Muslim” would be swirling around because people wouldn’t have had time to both learn the titillating details (he went to school in Indonesia! his middle name is Hussein!) and then the boring reality (he’s not a Muslim at all).
As for whether we liberals are “scared”, we certainly are in the sense that Palin seems (so far) to be swaying voters in her ticket’s direction. Obviously I want Obama to win, and am worried that he won’t. But it’s easy to twist “Palin scares liberals” from “Palin scares liberals, because they are afraid she will have an impact on the election and perhaps cause the candidate they prefer to lose” to “Palin scares liberals, because deep in their arugala-munching socialist probable-homosexual hearts they know that she’s the kind of red-blooded true American moose-hunting hockey mom who will expose their web of lies and deceipt” or something like that. Which is just nonsense.
How in the heck can you say that?
When was the last time the previous election’s failed VP got the nomination? Walter Mondale?
I meant should McCain become president,the vice president casts the vote to break the tie, so a lot of thing that come before the Congress and senate would or could be decided by Pailins vote.
Monavis
It also gives her time to study the script which she seems to not yet have memorized. If she draws bigger crowds than McCain it doesn’t speak much for him. Of course some of his silly accusations against Obama reflect that as well;trying to make a big sexist thing against Obama in a phrase he used himself against Hillary in the primaries.
Monavis
The Democrats were banking on McCain choosing Romney or Pawlenty - two profoundly uninteresting white guys. They were going to knock that out of the park. “Ha! Two typical boring white guys! Change! Obama! Cool! Hip! Youth Appeal! Smash!”
This choice was an oddball move but it totally took them by surprise. That’s why there’s been such a strong reaction.
+1
She inspired me to budget an Obama listing in some up coming paychecks.
Here’s an issue I should’ve mentioned in my OP: part of the argument for Obama and the Dems “running scared” is that it’s caused them to “flail about” and make mistakes. Some have pointed to the recent ads, others to various (mis?)statements, others to the McCain lead overall, and in places like Florida.
In other words, conservatives (since it’s mostly they who make this argument) believe that the “panic” has directly affected the political performance of Obama and the Democrats.
Do you see that at all? If so, how severely? If not, why not, especially given the polling?
(Granted, I realize that Obama supporters, and liberals in general, will tend to answer a certain way, but I’d like to see some real reasons, here.)