Hastur, I tried to be the voice of reason, but you are being a schmuck

For me, I wouldn’t say worst, but I’d agree that overall they were pretty bad. I give him points for trying to bring back some of the Golden and 50’s era villains, but I’ll conceed that they really didn’t have any real resemblance to the originals.

And while I appreciate what he was trying to do with Hippolyta vis-a-vis the Justice Society, it was so badly botched as to make my eyes water. And I despise what he did to Donna (and what he did to the then-current Donna/Kyle thing. AND that he offed her kids. Why does Byrne keep killing children? Vision and Wanda’s, Donna’s, I know there’s another…)

Besides, with Donna, he took a strong female character (and an Amazon (sort of) at that) and made her existance dependant on a man’s perception of her. I found that offensive at best.

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I’d reverse the two. But that’s what makes horse-races. :slight_smile:

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As much problems as I had with Byrne’s Wonder Woman run, I have to say that for me, the Spider-Man run he did right after his Wonder Woman stint was far worse and far more damaging. (Aunt May’s NOT dead? The Green Goblin’s back? Peter and MJ’s kid is dead <-THERE’s the other dead kid by Byrne (and Mackie)) And his Spider-Man Year One is one of the single worst comics story I’ve ever read, and I’ve been reading since 1975.

I think Byrne’s big problem as a creator is he wants everything frozen the way it was in 197x when he was a fan. Spider-Man shouldn’t be married, Aunt May shouldn’t be dead. His West Coast Avengers butchery was an obscene attempt to undo everything Steve Englehart had done over the previous 25 years (I’m thrilled that Busiek is slowly de-Byrne-ing the Avengers). I fully believe that if he could’ve gotten away with it, Byrne would have had Steve Trevor break up with Etta and start chasing Wonder Woman, simply because that’s the way it was when he was reading.

Something happened to Byrne when he left FF and went to do Superman. And it wasn’t good.

End micro-rant.

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MM doesn’t V, much. My ‘favorite’ current Byrne story is that after a recent debacle where he was quoted as saying something abysmally stupid (in context) from his website on several comic-book news pages and on rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe Byrne decreed that no one shall be permitted to quote (or even print excerpts) of his words under any circumstances. He started adding a sig line to all of his posts to that effect (“These words are copyright John Byrne and any reproduction of them in any context…etc”) Someone pointed out that A) this would have the effect of forcing people to paraphrase him, which, if he wanted accuracy as he claimed would be counter productive and B) this violated any number of fair-use doctrine laws.

The man did some great work once, and when he’s not breaking other people’s toys he can still produce good stuff (His “Generations” series for DC was excellent, if sketchily drawn), but as a person, he seems to be an ass and as a creator he’s more interested in destroying other people’s work than doing his own stuff.

Fenris

::Continuing the comics hijack::

Reading that discussion, I suddenly flash on the phrase ‘Slash and Byrne’ to describe his effect on titles.

I KNOW I can’t be the first one to come up with that…

If you hadn’t been polite, and if you had been attacking, trust me - my response would have been far more extreme.

Sure you’re allowed to have feelings. Sure you’re allowed to kinda halt a nice little humorous “flow” this tense thread had (thank God) taken. Sure you’re allowed to get bent out of shape over an obviously absurd joke about a comic book character. Definitely. Certainly. You are SURE allowed.

But since you said “call me humorless”, well, I did. Because that’s how I feel. I think I’m allowed to have feelings too, you know.

JEEZ.

Now, that I’ve expressed my feelings…let’s get back to the pleasant comic book hijack! :slight_smile:

Oh, come on, give a hard one.
Everyone knows Marvin is the son of Diana Prince.
No, not Wonder Woman, the Army Nurse that gave Princess Diana her name, and then moved to South America.

Now, who knows the secret of her earrings? Here’s a hint, they have something to do with Venus. Not the goddess, the planet. And her tiara.

Jesus H. Christ! Don’t I get to decide whether I’m pissed off or not?

Starting to remind me of my mother, here.

Keep picking at somebody’s skin and it’s gonna be thin, no question about it.

It was a self-deprecatory request, and considering the lambasting the guy’s taken, deservedly or not, it’s only civil and no skin off my back to honor the request.

If you’ve seen his site, it’s pretty impressive, and if on top of everything else he’s not in a humorous mood over something he’s put a great deal of effort into, I guess I can understand that.

It’s been years and years since I read this…erm…I believe she broke bits off of her tiara and …uhm… squeezed oxygen out of the metal and the bits became her earrings which now give her a ongoing oxygen supply.

Obviously from the way you phrased the question she was on Venus when it happened, but I have no idea why.

(do I get a 1/2 point?)

An easy one: Wonder Woman (Golden and Silver age only) fought three villains who’s nom-de-crime started with Dr or Doctor. Dr. Psycho is the obvious one. Name the other two.

Fenris

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Dr. Cyber and Dr. Poison

Suffering Sappho! That’s almost dead on!
Actually, it was more that there were two correct answers:
The older one is that she always wore the earrings, even before the contest, but during her visit to Venus, the Queen touched them with her lips, giving Wonder Woman the power of Magnetic Hearing, so the Queen could send her thought messages from Venus.
The second one, the earrings were broken off her tiara, and then she squeezed oxygen from the ferric oxide in her bracers into the tiny holes in the earrings, giving her a self-renewing oxygen supply.

Let’s see… Professor Toxico is right out, then… hm.
Doctor Poison, the axis spy who was secretly Princess Maru.
Doctor Cyber, of course, who killed Steve Trevor, leading to Diana staying in Man’s World while the Amazons went on retreat.
The lesser knowns:
Dr. Fiendo who took over America with his Peace Police.
Dr. Dirke, who shrunk Wonder Woman and his fiancee…
Dr. Novel, the confidence man.
Dr. Frenzi and his Green Shirts.
Okay… let’s see. First, some tricky ones.
Who is Etta Candy’s brother?
What was Steve Trevor’s secret identity?
Speaking of the time Steve got powers from the Angle Man, why is the Angle Man’s death significant? It’s a lot more modern than you might think…
And a classic one: Who is Villany, Incorporated?

Hey, how many people can you name that look Just Like Wonder Woman? Fewer than look like Lois or Lana, I’m sure.

Remember, anyone can have the same powers as Wonder Woman, with Will Power and Training! Amazonian training can make any girl a Wonder Woman!

Now, let’s hope H*stur learns to submit to loving authority.

Goodness, I’m having all sorts of flashbacks. I don’t think I’ve read some of these in years!

Villany Inc. was:

Zara, The Blue Snow Man, Cheetah, Giganta, Dr. Poison, Eviless, Queen Clea, and Hypnota.

They appeared together in 1948 in issue #28

Phil Jiminez is bringing some of them back as the new Villany Inc. in an upcoming issue.

Loving submission is not submitting to a loving authority, but to the group. This is not a group that I would want to submit to, as there are far too many who delight in causing others to suffer.

BTB… Scylla. Thank you for understanding my point. I appreciate it.

Sure! I wasn’t responding on your behalf, but just sharing how I felt. You are more than well-equipped to respond to anything directed at you, in any way you wish.

Sure, I just felt it might have been worded in a less humorless way. I dunno, it just stuck out as singularly humorless, in a thread that taken such a nice fun and light-hearted turn. And I thought that it was unfortunate, especially considering what a lambasting he had taken earlier. And so I expressed my feelings about that.

No big deal. But I don’t want to detract away from this nice hijack anymore, so please commence with the comic book discussion in progress! :slight_smile: <----see? Smiley!